I'm sorry what? Not a big deal? Have you actually healed any savage? (I actually ask because it seems you've only done 9-10-11 as RDM/DRG)
Originally Posted by Jonnycbad
A crit adlo spread litteraly trivialise most Healing mechanic.
Just to give a few examples
OS9 : Litterally nullify a Earth phase Healing on tank/heals.
OS10 : with enough buff (largesse, conva, Healing buff from fairy, BRD buff etc) can litterally absorbe an entire arkmorn. (You do realise that most party wipe on those 2 arkmorn at the end)
OS11 : Almost entirely absorbe any combo of Deadly AoE such as the Photon crap + FlameThrow + Rocket wombo combo or
OS11 : Can absorbe both the big hit from the fist + omega share right after (1 gcd... for all that dmg)
OS11 : Litterally remove the need for Healing on panto2 Diffuse + Canon
OS12 : Makes Hello World Healing nearly non existent (everyone can absorbe 2 sources of damage without loosing health)
UwU Garuda : Absorbe an entire debuff explosion on the Bubble or when the sisters come for the fourth debuff making it much safer
UwU Ifrit : Can absorbe the first nail, explosion (and a bit of the second one) easing Healing quite a bit
I could go on...
And fishing isn't a strategy because you Simply Don't have the time to do so most of the time. (and it's pointless)
At best you may shoot 2 adlo but fishing for an adlo crit (when you actually can) is just a waste. And usually you can on the first boss, not the latter one.
30% is still low (technically speaking), with 30% crit chance you have
First adlo - 30% chance
Second Adlo - 51% chance
Third Adlo - 65% chance
Fourth Adlo - 75% chance
I mean... 75% may sounds high but if you base off your strategy around that fishing, well there's still 25% chance it fails after 4 cast ('and that's assuming you have the time)
Repeat that a few time and the odds are definitely against you...
So definitely crit deployed a huge deal and the only thing that makes it, somewhat not too entirely broken, is that it's gated behind that rng crit.
The difference between having a deployed crit and not having one is so drastic everytime my coheal gets one it makes the next Healing mechanic trivial. (assuming it will actually do Something)
WHM has Cure III, Medica, Assize, Medica II, Asylum. SCH has Indom, which is amazing, but on a long recast, Whispering Dawn is on 50% of the time, and Succor with ET is decent but still weak and costs a ton of MP. Giving a 20s window for the fairy's heals to be AoE wouldn't be that big of a deal, considering the low potency of Embrace anyway. I guess they could also just make Rouse into a 1-time ability (makes the NEXT Embrace into AoE and gives it +100% potency?) to make it into a 60s recast cure III?
SCH one weakness is the inability to effectively spam AoE heals for an extensive period of time... so? It's not like it's needed anyway...
And this is why you have 2 healers in a party isn't?
I Don't see that as an issue in the slighest.
If that's what you really want they could also Simply make Emergency Tactic a 5 or 10s cd. But if a SCH+AST can heal through Garuda bubble/Ifrit nails, then Nothing else in the game requires more.
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02-28-2019 05:21 PM #1Player
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02-28-2019 07:50 AM #2Player
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Indom. Succor. Etactics succor, WD.
Originally Posted by Jonnycbad
What do you consider a short cooldown? Indom is broken, Deserves serious nerfs in 5.0.
Originally Posted by Jonnycbad
Its one of the best HoTs in the game, and costs nothing to the healers. It's amazing.
Originally Posted by Jonnycbad
It doesn't cost particularly high MP, 2040 at level 70. This is especially true when you consider how much MP Regen SCH has.
Originally Posted by Jonnycbad
Embrace is like, 5,000 HP at ilvl 399. That is 6 embraces over 20s for a total of 30,000 HP. That is absurd, especially when you consider that fairy healing is completely free.
Originally Posted by Jonnycbad
You don't understand how healing works. You look in a vacuum and say "SCH has weak AOE healing!". No, they have amazing AOE healing. Especially when fights only do raid wide damage every +30s, indom literally lines up with everything.
SCH's strength is that it compliments it's cohealer perfectly. It does literally everything extremely well, and when you combine it's kit with a cohealer, it's power is amplified. That is why AST/SCH makes WHM a meme. Those two jobs have powerful oGCD healing in earthly and indom that can be rotated out for AOEs to maximize damage and minimize GCD heals .
You are thinking of things in terms of main/off healer and that just isn't how this game works.
How do you not consider a guaranteed critlo not a big deal? That is 100% the most overpowered move in the game by a mile. If a big raid wide is coming, SCH can say "LMAO NOPE" and make it hit for 0.
Originally Posted by Jonnycbad
Adlo deploy is used to cheese mechanics often. For example, when progging UwU, you could 100% negate Predation by using deploy and eating it to the face. Ifrit's crimson cyclone did ~70,000. It 100% guaranteed everyone would survive.
You think letting scholars completely negate mechanics at will is good game design?
Fishing for a critlo is terrible, as every adlo you cast is -230 potency from the Broil II you just lost. Guaranteed critlo means that you only ever lose 230 for a critlo which is free.
A guaranteed critlo with no Nerf to adloquium makes SCH 200% better than NOCT, and guarantees that every party will want SCH over alternatives. (Moreso than they already do).(3)Last edited by FusionSamurai; 02-28-2019 at 07:57 AM.
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03-11-2019 12:58 AM #3Player
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And Assize does similar healing and damage . . And restores mana on a comparable CD. . .
Originally Posted by FusionSamurai
Regen does almost the exact same healing over 21s. Aspected Benefic does similar HoT with the added upfront heal and can be extended.
Originally Posted by FusionSamurai
We get it, for some reason you have a hatred for SCH, but overall the healers are pretty well balanced. And if you're being honest and remember the start of SB, SCH was the weakest of the three due to their insane MP costs.
Overall, WHM has the highest dps of the healers and the best pure healing. AST has all the utility. SCH has the shields.
But you can't make one healer lack in any one area (heals or aoe) because if they did that, you'd see jobs shelved.(4)Last edited by Deceptus; 03-11-2019 at 01:00 AM.
Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
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02-28-2019 05:41 PM #4Player
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I think come next xpack we should focus less on adding more more aetherflow abilities and sch itself and focus more on the faerie add more abilities that use the faerie gauge.
Idea
1. Ability - Instantly fills the faerie gauge by 50.
2. Ability - Your faerie places a buff that increases the targets damage resistance by 10% and damage dealt by 5%. Cost 20 faerie gauge.
3. Ability - Takes all your faeries abilities off cooldown. Cost 10 faerie gauge for every ability.
4. Ability - Your faerie uses all of their faerie gauge to fully heal the target. Cost 100 faerie gauge. Your faerie is unable to use any abilities or spells for a period of time.
5. Trait - Aetherflow abilities have the chance of increasing the faerie gauge by 15 instead of 10.
Are theses any good? I don't know honestly but I feel like the faerie gauge needs more use especially since it was sch big lv70 mechanic.(0)
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02-28-2019 06:42 PM #5Player
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Agreed, however in some case I'd rather see some ability getting additional utility instead of adding an entire new skill.
Originally Posted by AvenoMatt
Like 1. Ability - Instantly fills the faerie gauge by 50. could be a trait enhancing Rouse. SCH already has a lot of skills so button bloat is definitely a concern here.
But tbh I'm pretty sure we'll get at least one new Fairy Gauge ability.(1)
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03-08-2019 06:06 AM #6Player
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Needless to say, your damage over time effects would be updated. However instead of being -helix spells I have instead opted for...
Miasma -> Necrosis
Bio II -> Fever
Simple reasoning being medical terminology for the sake of keeping the plague doctor identity. I haven't decided on exact potencies yet but they will still be 30 second durations.
Unfortunately I'm still working out my Fairy Guage ideas so I will have to come back to ya'll on that when I do.(1)
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03-09-2019 07:45 PM #7Player
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Having fun with current sch and a personal wishlist would be something like:
- Return of Bio 1 and Aero cross-class
(or two other additional dots) - Return of Virus
(or similar debuff to help reduce incoming damage on 1 min CD, I could see Chain Strat. be reworked to lower cd and instead decrease target's damage.) - Old Cleric Stance or similar ability where you sacrifice healing power for increased damage.
(Could make current Cleric last just 5 seconds, decreasing healing by 50% and increasing damage by 25%, since I remember rarely spending any longer time in old CS when partying) - More stuff to use Fairy Gauge on: Use all remaining gauge for an AOE heal centered on the fairy for something like 50 potency heal with Eos for every tenth fairy power and +1% haste to Fey Wind with Selene for every tenth fairy power.
- Fey Wind haste could include increased movement speed.
Reasons for the first and second is that I miss the fun managing 5 dots back at the end of HW which left very little time to spam Broil. Virus was one more tool to help reduce overall damage so there was another reason to keep an eye on the boss' castbar. Old Cleric Stance made this even more fun by the risk it entailed. Frankly PLD plays now like the kind of support I felt I was playing back in HW as sch. With there being almost always something to reapply, mitigate, debuff, heal and recast.
Can probably be summed up as: I would like something more to do besides Broil II when everyone is healed, nothing Eos can't handle is incoming and Bio 2, Miasma, Miasma 2 is up.(0)
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03-11-2019 04:12 AM #8Player
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Also to add to Deceptus' post, SCH has some actions that are already in lower potency compared to WHM/AST alternatives, because the fairy is expected to top up the main healing. Then there is SCH abilities that don't benefit from pot increases (Largesse, Illumination etc) like Aetherflow actions, even Whispering Dawn was changed to an ability from a spell and no longer gets Rouse benefits (of course the ability was buffed to make up for that).
It took a long time for SCH to get balanced after SB was released, so I'm kinda hoping the same thing doesn't happen to it come Shadowbringers.(0)
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03-11-2019 09:23 AM #9Player
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Wait, Eos' WD doesn't benefit from Rouse anymore? When was that change made?
Originally Posted by Kurando
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Well, at least I'm trying...
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03-11-2019 01:11 PM #10Player
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When it was changed to an Ability; Rouse only benefits Spells, after all. The base potency was increased to compensate somewhat, raising the Rouse-less value but falling short of its value with Rouse.
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