Can we report the Baldesion Arsenal discord group?

[AnnaRosa]

Okay, so then why say that you’ve tried it when you actually haven’t?

You’re basing your opinion off of a biased game forum that only reflects the opinions of a small amount of its playerbase—a substantial amount of players don’t even post here, yet you would base your opinion off of the minority?

You aren’t actually trying the content itself (doing the Support FATE does not count, as he’s basically just an NM), yet you insist on forming opinions about it and the people who frequently participate in it. Mind you, a lot of players on Aether do not talk in /shout; they use /yell while inside the dungeon so as to not clog up the outside chat for NM call outs. It may be similar on your DC as well, so you may not even be seeing what the majority of people in there think. Again, you’re basing it off of a few people.


Basing your opinion off of the opinions of others with zero effort to actually try the content and form your own independent opinion gives you little merit.

Meant that would like to try the new dungeon/raid if didn't want to try wouldn't even bother to help the support group get fates done like many others.

Again am basing my opinion on my experience inside Eureka instance since the content was released and the diverse topics from this forum with all different opinions.

[HyoMinPark]

Meant that would like to try the new dungeon/raid if didn't want to try wouldn't even bother to help the support group get fates done like many others.

Again am basing my opinion on my experience inside Eureka instance since the content was released and the diverse topics from this forum with all different opinions.

And I’m telling you that basing your opinion off of the opinions of others makes your opinion flimsy—you have no direct contact or experience to form an adequate one; instead you are just echoing things you’ve read or heard and say you share the same sentiments.

I think for you to form an adequate, independent opinion of the content, you need to actually participate in it rather than just rely on the opinions of others and biased reports and threads like this one. You aren’t getting the full picture. You aren’t well-rounding your opinion. Instead of seeing for yourself if BA and the Discords dedicated to organizing runs for it are actually good or bad places, you’re just agreeing with people who say “Yeah! They’re all toxic elitists in there!”

Why not see things for yourself and form your own opinion independent of the input of others?

[AnnaRosa]

And let me tell you that in Chaos Data center BA discord, players are adviced to ignore the griefers, "snipers", and anything alike which is to say this is for their own good in case the arguments and griefings turn into report wars.

Can I ask why would you want to have a party with griefers to begin with? This is not all about BA since the core mechanic of this game happens to be MMO where player needs to be cooperative to other players in order to clear contents. The idea of "sniping portals" is not any difference than any other occurences happening in any other contents this game offering when players are unwilling to be cooperative because they have their own way to play the game that's against of what the community as a whole prefers.

Not getting well what you mean is this you presuming that the person referred in the original post was a grief player?
So sorry don't think so grief players have a cyclic pattern behavior they do not just quit the game like the player referred in the original post.
The original post refers to one player who joined the new dungeon/raid to try it and it was harassed for "intentionally stealing" someone else portal which highly doubt because when players intentionally grief by stealing portals they will be doing the same over and over was not the original post situation.

[AnnaRosa]

And I’m telling you that basing your opinion off of the opinions of others makes your opinion flimsy—you have no direct contact or experience to form an adequate one; instead you are just echoing things you’ve read or heard and say you share the same sentiments.

I think for you to form an adequate, independent opinion of the content, you need to actually participate in it rather than just rely on the opinions of others and biased reports and threads like this one. You aren’t getting the full picture. You aren’t well-rounding your opinion. Instead of seeing for yourself if BA and the Discords dedicated to organizing runs for it are actually good or bad places, you’re just agreeing with people who say “Yeah! They’re all toxic elitists in there!”

Why not see things for yourself and form your own opinion independent of the input of others?

Appreciate your advise but no thank you what have seen here in this thread and other threads is enough.
It's not for the threads being biased is more about how people express their hate towards other players even if they are recently joined players who not know the mechanics or by mistake want to try new content.

I’m sorry to hear that you would rather echo the opinions of others than form your own through direct experience. I have to ask that you refrain from “warnings” like the one you posted a while back about BA and BA Discords. Clearly, you don’t know what kind of environments they actually are, so try to not tell others about things you do not know.

On the contrary surely will tell others about my experiences within Eureka instance shout channel and will indicate this thread and others threads related to the subject on the forum.

Lol that's a very quick way to discredit your entire opinion, good job.

Toxic people exist, that doesn't reflect the content nor the discord unless you have specifically experienced those things consistently with the content or the discord, which you clearly have not.

This forum thread among others related to the subject do portrait well whats the players attitude towards players that aren't aware of the full mechanics and do use the portals with no intention to steal them but to try the new content am so sorry my opinion offends you or your discord magical group, it doesn't change the fact how your attitude reflects here in the forum.
If you were so innocent players wouldn't even be here complaining about harassment on your part so yes this thread will be a good reference in the future.

[HyoMinPark]

Appreciate your advise but no thank you what have seen here in this thread is enough.

I’m sorry to hear that you would rather echo the opinions of others than form your own through direct experience. I have to ask that you refrain from “warnings” like the one you posted a while back about BA and BA Discords. Clearly, you don’t know what kind of environments they actually are, so try to not tell others about things you do not know.

[lvlagmarink]

Not getting well what you mean is this you presuming that the person referred in the original post was a grief player? So sorry don't think so grief players have a cyclic pattern they do not just quit the game like the player referred in the original post.
The original post refers the player who joined the new dungeon/raid to try it and it was harassed for "intentionally stealing" someone else portal which highly doubt because when players intentionally grief by stealing portals they will be doing the same over and over was not the original post situation.

No, I didn't imply the original poster's friend is a grief player, at least i have no evidence for it.

This is where the definition differs, it wouldnt be called as harassing for simply ignoring the snipers, griefers, and any other similar negative players alike, when the one who's playing victims here claimed to have been harassed by players for not raising them after thay have failed to be cooperative.

This is no different than having a tank in a content cleaving the party with extra damage from mobs because the said tank refuses to position them properly despite being told to (communication).. and said tank gets voted kicked and coming back to the forum igniting of being abused by the community simply because the tank is not cooperative.

It is up to you whether to try BA or not, but i already said that at least in chaos data center, anybody can request to be a raid lead, it doesnt even require any talking, and you would even have some veterans helping you forming it.. The important rules to abide are setting up a schedule within empty time slot so it doesnt clash with other group, and not taking someone else's portal.. which is to say these are pretty much mutual agreement for everybody to have a chance doing BA.

[Lambdafish]

Appreciate your advise but no thank you what have seen here in this thread and other threads is enough.
It's not for the threads being biased is more about how people express their hate towards other players even if they are recently joined players who not know the mechanics or by mistake want to try new content.

Lol that's a very quick way to discredit your entire opinion, good job.

Toxic people exist, that doesn't reflect the content nor the discord unless you have specifically experienced those things consistently with the content or the discord, which you clearly have not.

[Gula]

The problem with looking from an outside view here, is that you don't know exactly how things go on inside of what you're looking at. -snip-

Thanks for this explanation. As someone who isn't going to to touch Eureka, the lack of knowledge strongly works in OP's favor.

[Lacan]

maybe the real baldesion arsenal was the friends we made along the way?

[Alucard135]

As someone who has actually participated in BA and the Discord, I do recommend to give it a shot! Our first timer learning group made it all the way to Ozma today! If you don't like it, you don't like it and you don't have to come back. To spout this kind of nonsense when you haven't even tried is very small-minded.

I think I was in your support group for that run lol. What started as a fragment run ended up as an Ozma prog group. That BA group is a perfect example of how fun it is when you join with people at your current level of the content. People were helpful explaining AV and the group managed to kill it. And took almost 15min explaining Ozma and told people there's no problem if they made a mistake since it's just a learning party. We had a sniper for our support group that I was going to invite to our group, since they seemed to not know what's going on but they just left immediately. I can't tell if they did it on purpose or not, but they probably got reported for that by others.

The benefit of discord is not voice chat, but the ability to organize 56 people that are at your same progression level that the game doesn't even give you the option of pre-forming before you queue into the instance. Yet, some prefer to snipe a portal and say "I hate discord" "I don't need discord" "how can I learn if I don't get in?", end up in a group that is most likely beyond their level of progress, end up dying to simple mechanics, and then say "BA groups are elitists!". Seems like the best way to learn /s. If the companion app provided the same features as discord for organization, the same problem will still exist and you'll still hear "I shouldn't need the app to play the game".