Can we report the Baldesion Arsenal discord group?

[Jeykama]

I'd like to see this chatlog of insults (names redacted of course).

And, like others have said, no one is going to raise a random entry in BA because of the cost and limited logos plates.

[HyoMinPark]

You cannot use Raise actions within BA save for Sacrifice L, which is completely up to the personal discretion of the healers carrying it because there is a chance that they will not get their Spirit of the Remembered to proc; and then they are the ones dead on the floor. Then other healers have to choose to use their Sacrifice L's (potentially at inopportune times), or leave that healer dead, which will leave one group short one healer. Not exactly ideal if you're going into Ozma.

I know I will not Sacrifice for anyone even within a premade if we are doing Ozma prog/clears and they die anywhere before AV unless it was due to an error of a tank (e.g., they did not maintain aggro, or they neglected to pull a mob that then hit another player - I have seen the latter happen before in the hallway leading to AV with a wandering Centaur). If they are dying to Art/Owain or Raiden or, god forbid, trash, they are a liability in my eyes, and I'd rather not have them in AV or Ozma. Because they clearly need to work on their mechanical understanding of the first bosses and/or situational awareness. Again, doesn't matter to me if they're in a premade or not. Because my Sacrifice has the potential to leave me out of the rest of the run for someone whose knowledge of the dungeon I have concerns about. And all it takes is one person to wipe in Ozma.

You can report for verbal abuse that occurred within the in-game chat. However, refusal to Sacrifice one's self for the sake of another is not a reportable offense.

I question if there is more to this story.

[Noxeli]

When did your friend die? As already noted here a raise is only possible through a sacrifice L and is worth a lot in BA. In addition depending on the type of group that was there they wouldn't even revive one of their own. If it's a clear or ozma prog group there is no worth in raising someone who died in the first hallway or first boss. They are a liability and waste if resources if they're raised.

The only thing you can report is actual in game chat harassment if that even happened at all.

[kamenkuro]

The issue is that finding random parties for BA is impossible. No one does it unless they're already prepped for it. Also it's not just the organized groups that are being combative. Whenever folks say they're an organized group there will be a load of push back. Folks will deride them for trying to "claim" an instance. Then folks will purposely enter just to get in the way of folks that are trying to coordinate. All week I've watched portals into BA pop up and then disappear. If folks are being bad, report them, don't attack people that are trying to organize groups though.

[Duskane]

Can't blame discord for rude people or bad game design with the portals.

Raise in BA is basically gambling for healers sacrifice L combination logos cost alot on all servers and reraise could not even proc so losing a healer is big deal and have to start chaining sacs
Plus need to be well equipped with logos upgrades from rabbit fates

You die and get left behind thats it sadly
If they were abusive of mean shame on them and friend should report them

But in NO way is discord a blame for all issue BA has caused

[shiroxkatsuya]

Your friend can certainly report individuals of that instance if there was harassment. They are however under no obligation to raise you. Being a healer in BA can be pretty expensive. Also the discords i know of at least take harassment pretty seriously, so i as some others feel there may be more to this story.

[KageTokage]

I'm kind of doubting that any actual "harassment" occurred considering the TC's lack of response since creating the topic and just see someone getting upset that they wouldn't be rezzed despite being a liability.

General rule of thumb for BA even in premades is that if a player dies early on and isn't a healer or tank they most likely aren't getting a rez (Unless they died because of a healer or tank messing up).

[Nihility]

Almost feels like a made up story to try to tarnish the discord because they prefer to hate rather than join in.
So vague and full of holes and unreasonable connections

The leaders in the primal discords work really hard to put a stop to anyone getting angry about friends losing a spot.
And really if your in there the people that are anti-discord groups for no real reason throw around more hate and insults and try to start fights way more often.

Who's really the people acting like a villain
The discord leader that admits their disappointment that someone who may have been trying for hours lost a spot and urges the random person to join the discord and work with the group if they want to progress and clear
or
The people that just queue instances all day purposely looking for an organized group, start spamming hatred and lies about the discord groups motives as a way to justify taking a spot, then once inside does absolutely nothing but heal themself and not help clear the mobs at all while taunting the organized group the entire time in chat

because that's the usual things that happen

I've stopped joining up to help groups of new people progress through the dungeon because the people that absolutely refuse to work as a group and drag down those that do have become so prolific.

[Gwenorai]

To be devil's advocate and haven't not set foot in the newest Eureka - not even for new Bard BiS can get me to go into that hot mess - guess I have an outsider type view when looking into this after looking at these threads. While they certainly could be telling fabrications or escalating the situation. There is also the scenario where they are telling the truth and this talk of how they're 'lying' isn't helping the whole view that folks will have against the discord groups. Sort of looks like people patting people on the back protecting the group rather than entertaining the idea that there is always going to be a bad egg among the good. Discord leaders can't control everyone - and they can't see what everyone is doing or acting in Whispers. Any leader who does see such toxicity in yells/say etc worth their salt would stomp that out - or rather do what they can to have the offender 'chill', though what can they do other than kick them out the discord? That's not going to stop them mouthing off at the person who 'sniped' their spot if it was happening in the first place.

Best situation in regards to this when looking in is to simply tell people to report them and to move on as either way those defending the discord groups - and rightly so in most scenarios I imagine - are just going to look like they're part of a hivemind protecting those bad eggs, which we should all agree do exist. I can certainly see someone losing their cool after waiting for hours to get into the content only to be blocked from it. It's not unheard of nor should it be looked upon like it's impossible that someone lost their collective poop and not even 'discord rules' could hold them back from being snide.

I, however, can see from how folks talk about the discords that most of their experiences have shown they are organised and people are trying their best. But that's just it; these people have no real power in regards to the game itself. Someone flips their lid then the worst they're going to get is kicked out the discord, they can still go into BA and be spiteful by taking up spots. As mentioned before, rules don't stop people from losing their cool. I mean, I'm sure a lot of us has witnessed someone in Duty Finder/Raid who just flips out and acts like a turd when things don't go there way. Report feature doesn't stop them from doing it.

tldr: threads like this - tell the person to report and just leave it as that, like most people are.

As for the title of the actual thread; Can you report a discord group? Nope. Can you report people in the game for acting like children having a tantrum, of course. Is someone a jerk for not raising you in that content where the sacrifice is too much for too little gain, nope. Unless they're specifically telling you 'I'm not raising you because you're not part of the discord group + insults' then, no - they're under no obligation to go out of their way to do anything and you have no grounds to report, or rather you're not going to see anything come out of your report from the GMs.

Square Enix messed up with how they implemented this nonsense. Imagine not having the option to make a 24man group. Bloody SWTOR has that option for makers sake.

[Alucard135]

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The problem with looking from an outside view here, is that you don't know exactly how things go on inside of what you're looking at. If OP was to mention the insults and harassment alone, then that's perfectly reportable and no one disagrees on that and can happen.

But, his core argument was in regards to something that is not even reportable and is trying to paint the discord groups as the bad ones. Since you haven't tried BA, you'd naturally sympathize with his story regarding what happened. But, those who know how BA works would easily tell there are holes in the story.

1- He did not mention how she got into the portal: Did she snipe it? did she mistakenly take it? was it just free for grabs?
2- He's talking about them agreeing on not raising her: How did he know that? did he listen to them on discord? Since no one speaks in chat except the very few who don't have a mic that are not even the decision makers.
3- Before entering BA, you get told that you can't be resed. Since OP is angry about her not being resed, then he knows exactly what are the methods that can be used for resing in there and what cost it entails. So making this thread complaining about someone not sacrificing themselves for his friend makes it more obvious that it's either a bait thread or just a hate thread made out of spite due to them reaping what they sowed. (You may argue that they didn't read the warning, but let's be honest, someone knowing about the discord group, premades and what happens between them and sniping knows too well what goes on in BA).
4- Quitting the game because others didn't wanna sacrifice themselves for his friend to get a raise, but (assuming they sniped the portal) have no regard taking a spot of another player waiting for hours to get in saying "it's my right to take the portal". I mean, you'd logically assume no one would want you in their party if you deliberately take the spot of their friend that waited for hours and wouldn't be surprised if they didn't care you died lol.

I could go on and on about more holes in the story. But back to my point. Not knowing how BA works would easily get you to think that they might be telling the truth. But those who do know, can tell that something is terribly off with it.