Can we report the Baldesion Arsenal discord group?

[LalaLeChat]

This one should work for the EU one:
https://discord.gg/NSVkdDK

[NekoNova]

Here is one for the french one :

https://discord.gg/NvZQDTK

I'm not on the others (well I was on the EU one but now you need to get verified and I didn't get through the process, and I can't get an invite link from this one).

Best way to get an invite for the EU one is to tell one of the team leaders putting PFs up for the BA runs.

Thanks, I got an invite from someone for the EU one now.

[NekoNova]

This one should work for the EU one:
https://discord.gg/NSVkdDK

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Yep joined that one, and got verified!
Now to get into BA at some point I suppose

[jameseoakes]

Yea, I get that, and I don't know if I just have thicker skin than most, but I don't really think telling someone "you sniped a portal" or "we're not going to heal you because you sniped us" qualifies as harassment or anything. It isn't nice of course, but the situation itself isn't a nice one. If they were calling the person stupid or trying to insult them in other ways, yea, that's uncalled for. But pointing out to the person that they screwed up a run that people were planning for probably over an hour or so is completely reasonable in my opinion.

Refusing to heal people for no good reason is harassment, and pretty serious at that and if people do that they really need to be reported.

[BillyKaplan]

"we're not going to heal you because you sniped us" qualifies as harassment or anything.

Probably does under the new ToS - obstruction of gameplay. Not sure it didn't under the old ToS, either.

But pointing out to the person that they screwed up a run that people were planning for probably over an hour or so is completely reasonable in my opinion.

It's this weird situation in which I totally get them, but at the same time it's not the fault of the 'sniper'. Like you said before - don't complain about the Discord, complain to SE for the bad design? This is exactly where that suggestion works, more so than when you used it earlier.
That person is in now. You can either intentionally let them hit the floor and lose a potential fighter (which, again, likely qualifies as harassment under obstruction of gameplay), or try to work with them. It's a matter how how stubborn and proud people are after that.

[Alucard135]

Q: Yeah about that, you know the only way to raise in BA is sacrifice right? So maybe it wasn’t just that they were being dicks?

A: No no I know about sacrifice. It wasn’t that they didn’t raise me, it’s that they told people not to raise me. As in, I stayed to watch the rest of the fight and after they killed AV I used return to leave and shouted for a raise and the people started shouting not to raise me cause I took their spot and it’s my own fault I’m dead.

The bold part is not reportable. It's up to the group, they are under no obligation required to raise her in there. She joined an AV fight and died. And from the way she's responding, she clearly knows how BA goes. So it's her own fault that got her killed in the first place. But knowing Aether discord group, it's not because it's a sniper, it's because she can easily wipe the group. In my last run, we had a SMN that died to AV's first mechanic, his raise worked, and died again to Eidos. So the party left him because he clearly doesn't know AV fight, and going in Ozma they could easily wipe an entire group and cost us to lose the clear.

The underlined part is a massive lie. You cannot return from BA if you're dead. The only thing that can happen is that if someone dies and the timer on BA was less than 10min, then before their 10min is up, they get kicked out of the instance and can be raised. But you can't use return yourself to get a raise. And this is also impossible to have happened, since killing AV increases the timer. So there is no way for them to have timed out in BA at all.

Q: So what exactly happened?

A: went into hydatos and saw BA support was up so I went over and helped kill it. Got the buff and went to a portal. Got in and said looking for party. Got comments like “f***ing sniper”, “you stole our members spot”, “we’re not gonna help you so you might as well leave”.

So I didn’t get any party invites but obviously I wasn’t gonna leave, like, what good would that do anyone? It’s not like that would bring the portal back. I had remembered and bloodbath so I thought maybe I could take care of myself, but nope, I died and of course remembered didn’t proc... at which point they all started cheering at my death.

From this answer, your friend knows exactly how things go on in BA. But let's assume the things said in shout did happen. That is reportable and they should know better than to say that. But there are two questions you should have asked your friend.

1- Do you know AV fight and Ozma fight?

If you don't know the fight and still joined, then what were you expecting? to get carried through it? If you know the fight, then you don't need a group and can solo your way through it (a couple of snipers who knew the entire fight did it and some of them actually saved the run).

2- Did you know a premade group was there and what was their objective?

If their objective was a clear and your friend doesn't know the fights, then it's your friends fault for doing that. Trying to get a carry there that way doesn't make you smart.

But the content is designed to be entered solo and grouped up within. That’s just plain fact of the matter, so these groups that organise beforehand should not be excluding people for taking something from them that isn’t theirs to begin with.

They have every right to exclude you. You have a right for a portal, not or a raise theree there. This enters the realm of entitlement now. just as it's your right to take a portal, it's their right to not include you in their party or raise you. You took what's rightfully yours, they did what's rightfully theirs.

It's rather amusing how people cry about "I have a right to a portal" but don't want to accept the fact that others have a right not to add them to their parties or raise them lol.

[Lacan]

Refusing to heal people for no good reason is harassment, and pretty serious at that and if people do that they really need to be reported.

you can't force people to heal people. that's against healers rights. :v they don't take a Hippocratic oath or anything.

[BillyKaplan]

you can't force people to heal people. that's against healers rights. :v they don't take a Hippocratic oath or anything.

Being a bad healer isn't reportable. Saying in chat you're going to let that person die while you are a healer and could've prevented that probably is.

[jameseoakes]

you can't force people to heal people. that's against healers rights. :v they don't take a Hippocratic oath or anything.

If this is the kind of thing that the discords are encouraging, (intentionally letting people in open content die just for being there) then they are really toxic. Which is a shame as it looks like the people who run then want them to be positive thing

[Crushnight]

ok now we are getting ridiculous with the healing thing its not easy to go through 54 other people to target a random person to heal while one shot mechanics are happening that is not harassment if they died there is such a thing as priorities and healing party > healing random person