Can we report the Baldesion Arsenal discord group?

[Lacan]

I just don't get why you wouldn't join the discord if you want to do BA content. If you know people in the instance are trying to do a premade run, then why would you just barge into it if you don't even want to affiliate yourself with the discord? Why not wait for an instance without a discord group trying to do a run?

Anyone is welcome to join the discord. It isn't some exclusive club. But jumping into a portal (and forcing someone else out of the run, possibly a healer or a tank) and expecting people to accommodate you once inside is just silly. If you are completely clueless about what is going on that's one thing, but I find it hard to believe when these groups make it known in chat what is going on.

[jameseoakes]

I just don't get why you wouldn't join the discord if you want to do BA content. If you know people in the instance are trying to do a premade run, then why would you just barge into it if you don't even want to affiliate yourself with the discord? Why not wait for an instance without a discord group trying to do a run?

Anyone is welcome to join the discord. It isn't some exclusive club. But jumping into a portal (and forcing someone else out of the run, possibly a healer or a tank) and expecting people to accommodate you once inside is just silly. If you are completely clueless about what is going on that's one thing, but I find it hard to believe when these groups make it known in chat what is going on.

Given how unpleasant the discords sound I'm not surprised people don't want to join. Your expected to accommodate the people who get into BA as you would anyone else you play with in PUG content, they have not forced someone else out of the run they are as entitled to be there as anyone else who meets the requirements.

[Aramina]

Given how unpleasant the discords sound I'm not surprised people don't want to join. Your expected to accommodate the people who get into BA as you would anyone else you play with in PUG content, they have not forced someone else out of the run they are as entitled to be there as anyone else who meets the requirements.

I will preface this with I have no been in BA, nor do I have any particular desire to do so.

That said, what do you (general you) gain by not going into Discord. You have a right to go into the portals, to be sure, however if you do so you simply are not going to progress. You gain nothing by being obstinate about it. If you could somehow sneak through to a win, then maybe I could see it..... but reality is you are cutting your nose off to spite your face.

[Crushnight]

OP post

This seems a little odd to me but AFAIK you can't Return while dead and that would be the only way to get out of the Arsenal and back to base camp where you could shout for a res.
Waiting out the instance timer on BA would boot you out too i believe but since they cleared AV it's most likely that the 10min res timer would run out before then.

Been trying to figure how best to word this so here goes;

I find it odd that the thing your friend OP that they got upset about was not the toxic insulting behavior (that they are claiming no proof after all so everything is a grain of salt on both ends here) but the rather mundane nope not ressing them at no point is anyone forced to raise anybody in BA and the discord group merely weighed up the option of risking not only remembered procs on their healers but whether or not your friend might wipe them on Ozma since they died to AV.

To add your friend's story is inconsistent with the BA rules they would have had their return to start timer run out before the instance timer would time out as killing AV gives more time than the return to start timer is, so there is no way they could be back at camp dead and needing a raise if the BA group had killed AV, I also find it highly unlikely that the entire 89 other people in the instance would be bleep enough not to raise someone, your friend is actively painting a worse image than what actually happened and you by extension by posting this on the forums.

Now with that said

Not like it matters because by your logic them going in for the first time to just try it is almost offensive in your eyes; to the organised groups. And while they may go in with every single intention to pull their own weight, to you they're just there to be carried and to leach. So, instead of showing a more positive outlook about it - you're basically hostile towards them. What kind of image does that paint when you have the premade discord group being hostile and then telling them to 'join a premade/discord group' when all they've seen is the discord group being hostile? You get threads like this and people complaining about the discord groups which make people even less likely to join them.

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I am very much in agreement here if what is said is true that behavior was wrong and should've been reported to both gms and if possible to the BA discord mods but the former most assuredly takes precedent. Just because you organised stuff doesn't give you the right to chastise anyone in a public setting nor is a group forced to obey what a single person wants respect for your fellow players always works both ways

[Lacan]

Given how unpleasant the discords sound I'm not surprised people don't want to join. Your expected to accommodate the people who get into BA as you would anyone else you play with in PUG content, they have not forced someone else out of the run they are as entitled to be there as anyone else who meets the requirements.

I'm in the discord and it isn't unpleasant at all. People making premade parties aren't trying to run the content as a PUG, that's the whole point. You're forcing yourself on 50+ other people. They have no reason whatsoever to try and accommodate you just because you hopped into a portal.

If you wanna run a PUG for BA, do it in an instance with no discord group forming. You can try to do otherwise by sniping a portal, but you're just gonna end up trying to solo it, and we all know how that ends. RIP.

[NekoNova]

I just don't get why you wouldn't join the discord if you want to do BA content. If you know people in the instance are trying to do a premade run, then why would you just barge into it if you don't even want to affiliate yourself with the discord? Why not wait for an instance without a discord group trying to do a run?

Anyone is welcome to join the discord. It isn't some exclusive club. But jumping into a portal (and forcing someone else out of the run, possibly a healer or a tank) and expecting people to accommodate you once inside is just silly. If you are completely clueless about what is going on that's one thing, but I find it hard to believe when these groups make it known in chat what is going on.

I first of all don't always have discord running.
Secondly, I am already in about 12 different discord servers, some where I am an Admin/Owner. Hopping online always means dealing with mod stuff, people and interacting, something I really don't have time for when running BA in FFXIV.
It's not about an exclusive club, it's simply having yet another thing that needs attention, maintenance and involvement.

[Gwenorai]

I just don't get why you wouldn't join the discord if you want to do BA content. If you know people in the instance are trying to do a premade run, then why would you just barge into it if you don't even want to affiliate yourself with the discord? Why not wait for an instance without a discord group trying to do a run?

Anyone is welcome to join the discord. It isn't some exclusive club. But jumping into a portal (and forcing someone else out of the run, possibly a healer or a tank) and expecting people to accommodate you once inside is just silly. If you are completely clueless about what is going on that's one thing, but I find it hard to believe when these groups make it known in chat what is going on.

From what I've heard from my friends and discord groups those who tend to wander into the portals are a mixed bunch. I also don't understand why someone who is in the know-how wouldn't join a discord group; at least those who don't fall into a specific group of people who have reasons not to join the discord - like hostile users from them/anxieties etc.

For the most part, what gets me about this is just the new people who wanted to step in and see it and have some fun. It certainly doesn't help when someone takes the portal without being in a premade and then they're just 'blacklisted' so they can't join that particular discord because of that incident. I really hope none of the BA groups is just blocking them from discords right off the get-go, and the rule is; not to take a portal if another group has already staked claim to that instance; which makes more sense than 'you snipe, you banned', which was overly harsh.

So yes, I totally understand it when people cock a brow when someone who knows that the discord communication is needed but doesn't take it anyway; but that's how it goes in MMOs. I am however firmly against the harassment of them since you never know, could just be a cute little smol who was simply curious. I've done it before myself in another game - quite by accident. I was curious one time in ESO and touched a portal that spawned a crap ton of mobs meant for group parties! Curiosity happens! People should know by now that some folks aren't glued to the computer and researching this and are just going in blind. It's a game, after all, some folks treat is just like that.

[Defenestration]

For the most part, what gets me about this is just the new people who wanted to step in and see it and have some fun.

I agree with everything you've said, though I feel inclined to point out that there was a literal disclaimer saying that BA wouldn't be fun before you can complete the quest to unlock it.

[Lacan]

From what I've heard from my friends and discord groups those who tend to wander into the portals are a mixed bunch. I also don't understand why someone who is in the know-how wouldn't join a discord group; at least those who don't fall into a specific group of people who have reasons not to join the discord - like hostile users from them/anxieties etc.

For the most part, what gets me about this is just the new people who wanted to step in and see it and have some fun. It certainly doesn't help when someone takes the portal without being in a premade and then they're just 'blacklisted' so they can't join that particular discord because of that incident. I really hope none of the BA groups is just blocking them from discords right off the get-go, and the rule is; not to take a portal if another group has already staked claim to that instance; which makes more sense than 'you snipe, you banned', which was overly harsh.

So yes, I totally understand it when people cock a brow when someone who knows that the discord communication is needed but doesn't take it anyway; but that's how it goes in MMOs. I am however firmly against the harassment of them since you never know, could just be a cute little smol who was simply curious. I've done it before myself in another game - quite by accident. I was curious one time in ESO and touched a portal that spawned a crap ton of mobs meant for group parties! Curiosity happens! People should know by now that some folks aren't glued to the computer and researching this and are just going in blind. It's a game, after all, some folks treat is just like that.

yea, I completely get that too. If someone is just confused and unaware that is one thing. The problem is, you can't really tell if they're just pretending to be clueless to try and get a clear without working for it since we know for sure that has happened before. The root of the issue is the way entry was designed in the first place. People should be complaining about that instead of the discord groups.

[BillyKaplan]

People should be complaining about that instead of the discord groups.

Uh, what? We have a case here - hypothetical or not - in which people, players, responded very badly to a player engaging the game in a way SE allows if not outright intended. Those people displayed rude entitlement on account of belonging to a premade, if not to the discord. I agree that wanting the entire server banned is a bit much but SE didn't force people to start harassing "snipers", even when we're repeatedly established that's 1. not often the case, 2. a community thing not everyone adhere to if they're even aware of.
The complaint that at least started this thread is the toxic behavior of individuals from the discord. SE's badly designed content didn't force them to behave the way they did. Be annoyed, be frustrated, even convey that much to the 'sniper' - sure. But there's a line that shouldn't be crossed. Throwing all the responsibility for people's behavior on SE's design is.... a bit much.