Can we report the Baldesion Arsenal discord group?

[HarryTipper]

Q: Yeah about that, you know the only way to raise in BA is sacrifice right? So maybe it wasn’t just that they were being dicks?

A: No no I know about sacrifice. It wasn’t that they didn’t raise me, it’s that they told people not to raise me. As in, I stayed to watch the rest of the fight and after they killed AV I used return to leave and shouted for a raise and the people started shouting not to raise me cause I took their spot and it’s my own fault I’m dead.

This seems a little odd to me but AFAIK you can't Return while dead and that would be the only way to get out of the Arsenal and back to base camp where you could shout for a res.
Waiting out the instance timer on BA would boot you out too i believe but since they cleared AV it's most likely that the 10min res timer would run out before then.

[Stanelis]

No one is sniped, both people have equal right to the content.

No one is saying otherwise, but then don't come whine on the forum that you didn't get a raise when you fail.

[BillyKaplan]

No one is saying otherwise

The BA group who called OP's friend a 'sniper' and encouraged others not to rez her as a result did?

but then don't come whine on the forum that you didn't get a raise when you fail.

That's not what they're complaining about

[KageTokage]

If one guy in 56 doesn't have the right logos action it will not stop you from clearing.

The one guy can cause a wipe by messing up AV orbs or Ozma's meteors/acceleration bombs, though, so it's understandable why people don't want randoms coming in blind.

[Lacan]

The BA group who called OP's friend a 'sniper' and encouraged others not to rez her as a result did?



That's not what they're complaining about

No one was going to raise her regardless of what people said though. Raises in BA are precious. It isn't like she didn't get raised because people encouraged others not to raise her. The best thing to do would have been to just completely ignore her imo. No healer is gonna risk a 30% death chance to get a random person up off the ground.

The situation sucks, but I don't think either party is at fault here really. Just people dealing with the circumstances of the entry system SE put in place.

[Stanelis]

The BA group who called OP's friend a 'sniper' and encouraged others not to rez her as a result did?



That's not what they're complaining about

We re not saying they don't have the right to take the portal but, on the other hand, we re telling you we won't be happy about it if they do. That s different. Also, as someone said, raises aren't free in BA due to them requiring expensive logograms (and even if that wasn't the case, snipers wouldn't get raised due to how ozma works, if you re not good enough to stay alive on raiden/AV, you ll fail even harder on Ozma).

They re complaining because they don't get carried by organized groups, which amounts to the same.

[Gwenorai]

We re not saying they don't have the right to take the portal but, on the other hand, we re telling you we won't be happy about it if they do. That s different. Also, as someone said, raises aren't free in BA due to them requiring expensive logograms (and even if that wasn't the case, snipers wouldn't get raised due to how ozma works, if you re not good enough to stay alive on raiden/AV, you ll fail even harder on Ozma).

They re complaining because they don't get carried by organized groups, which amounts to the same.

Not like it matters because by your logic them going in for the first time to just try it is almost offensive in your eyes; to the organised groups. And while they may go in with every single intention to pull their own weight, to you they're just there to be carried and to leach. So, instead of showing a more positive outlook about it - you're basically hostile towards them. What kind of image does that paint when you have the premade discord group being hostile and then telling them to 'join a premade/discord group' when all they've seen is the discord group being hostile? You get threads like this and people complaining about the discord groups which make people even less likely to join them.

Nah, if I went in for the first time with the intention of pulling my own weight and then I'm met with hostile people snarling at me to get into discord then guess what, I'm not going to join the discord which has those people in it. Already you've painted them in a bad light; people are going to be dispositioned to be hostile even when they join the discord group. 'Look there's that person who sniped my portal, grrrrr'.

Again those who enter the portals may enter them with innocent intentions and with a mind to actually clear the content and pull their own weight. Why would they assume that discord is needed when up until now, no such coordination is needed and the way SE has set it up is for first come first serve to fill the instance. You can't blame those who are taking the portals without gatekeeping and you have no right to do that.

I haven't seen one person here specifically say 'Wahhh, the organised group isn't carrying me' - OP specifically said that this particular person wanted to group up so they were part of the organised group. They could have invited her and offered the discord link. They didn't. If what OP said is true they effectively blacklisted her.

And from your previous posts, it wouldn't surprise me that any newbie who takes a portal without being part of your premade is also effectively blacklisted - instead of, you know, guiding them. The excuse of 'Oh I tried it once and it didn't work' is dumb.

If you don't like the fact people can take the portals without there being limitations on just who can take them. Then you either need to complain to SE or adjust. And people wonder why SE updated their rules policy - yeah, they saw this coming alright.

While I can totally understand the frustration of losing the spot to another; when people devolve into harassing the person - then yeah, there's a person at fault alright. They shouldn't be surprised or shocked if they're reported for their actions. Just like you can't be surprised or shocked if someone doesn't want to join a voice chat when those same people were hostile to them moments before.

In the end, what you expect is for people to have experience in BA, yet to get experience in BA they need to join a premade or 'snipe' a portal. If they're new to BA after doing previous eureka grinds which didn't need discord communication - then somehow they should automatically know that they need to join a premade and use discord communication to get anywhere. No, that's not how it works. Honestly, people need to see it to believe it. Isn't that how this started in the first place? With everyone randomly going into the portals and trying by full-on pugging? I don't see how this isn't any different - people are still going to go into BA with that kind of mindset - they will eventually learn in a good environment with people willing to help. Just like in every content that is beyond the causal dungeon run.

[NekoNova]

Gwenorai wrote exactly my thoughts.

[Lacan]

I just don't get why you wouldn't join the discord if you want to do BA content. If you know people in the instance are trying to do a premade run, then why would you just barge into it if you don't even want to affiliate yourself with the discord? Why not wait for an instance without a discord group trying to do a run?

Anyone is welcome to join the discord. It isn't some exclusive club. But jumping into a portal (and forcing someone else out of the run, possibly a healer or a tank) and expecting people to accommodate you once inside is just silly. If you are completely clueless about what is going on that's one thing, but I find it hard to believe when these groups make it known in chat what is going on.

[Eriane_Elis]

A 'raise' in BA is worth about 200k+ gil on my server.

So, why should a healer waste such an action worth 200k gil?
Esp. if the fight is over and ppl don't intend to continue, since leveling up after a deleveling takes about 20 minutes.

A healer in a premade usually brings 2 sacs for the purpose of getting your group through and he will be happy about every logos action he can keep for the next run.

nevermind what I said, I misread something lol