Can we report the Baldesion Arsenal discord group?

[jameseoakes]

Generally we give a warning to clueless people (we already got the case) but that doesn't mean we d carry them to Ozma, because if you want to go to Ozma, in our discord, you have to do discovery runs first.

Also, I'm not bitter (I got my mount so to be honest at this point I m only doing this for people who don't have the kill) but I'm very firm about the sniping, because it is not a good behavior. And I especially frown when people actually think they are entitled to get the Ozma kill when they snipe a portal. But no, that's not how it works.



As someone who organize a lot of the runs for newcomers in BA in our discord, I think you get the wrong guy. And that doesn't prevent me from being very firmly against sniping because it is a huge lack of respect for the player who is sniped (see my previous post for explanation). there are no prerequisites to join the different discords and you can even build your own premade if you don't want to join these group, anything is better than simply takinga portal as a single player (at least in EU and NA datacenters).

No one is sniped, both people have equal right to the content.

[HarryTipper]

Q: Yeah about that, you know the only way to raise in BA is sacrifice right? So maybe it wasn’t just that they were being dicks?

A: No no I know about sacrifice. It wasn’t that they didn’t raise me, it’s that they told people not to raise me. As in, I stayed to watch the rest of the fight and after they killed AV I used return to leave and shouted for a raise and the people started shouting not to raise me cause I took their spot and it’s my own fault I’m dead.

This seems a little odd to me but AFAIK you can't Return while dead and that would be the only way to get out of the Arsenal and back to base camp where you could shout for a res.
Waiting out the instance timer on BA would boot you out too i believe but since they cleared AV it's most likely that the 10min res timer would run out before then.

[Stanelis]

No one is sniped, both people have equal right to the content.

No one is saying otherwise, but then don't come whine on the forum that you didn't get a raise when you fail.

[BillyKaplan]

No one is saying otherwise

The BA group who called OP's friend a 'sniper' and encouraged others not to rez her as a result did?

but then don't come whine on the forum that you didn't get a raise when you fail.

That's not what they're complaining about

[Lacan]

The BA group who called OP's friend a 'sniper' and encouraged others not to rez her as a result did?



That's not what they're complaining about

No one was going to raise her regardless of what people said though. Raises in BA are precious. It isn't like she didn't get raised because people encouraged others not to raise her. The best thing to do would have been to just completely ignore her imo. No healer is gonna risk a 30% death chance to get a random person up off the ground.

The situation sucks, but I don't think either party is at fault here really. Just people dealing with the circumstances of the entry system SE put in place.

[Stanelis]

The BA group who called OP's friend a 'sniper' and encouraged others not to rez her as a result did?



That's not what they're complaining about

We re not saying they don't have the right to take the portal but, on the other hand, we re telling you we won't be happy about it if they do. That s different. Also, as someone said, raises aren't free in BA due to them requiring expensive logograms (and even if that wasn't the case, snipers wouldn't get raised due to how ozma works, if you re not good enough to stay alive on raiden/AV, you ll fail even harder on Ozma).

They re complaining because they don't get carried by organized groups, which amounts to the same.

[Gwenorai]

We re not saying they don't have the right to take the portal but, on the other hand, we re telling you we won't be happy about it if they do. That s different. Also, as someone said, raises aren't free in BA due to them requiring expensive logograms (and even if that wasn't the case, snipers wouldn't get raised due to how ozma works, if you re not good enough to stay alive on raiden/AV, you ll fail even harder on Ozma).

They re complaining because they don't get carried by organized groups, which amounts to the same.

Not like it matters because by your logic them going in for the first time to just try it is almost offensive in your eyes; to the organised groups. And while they may go in with every single intention to pull their own weight, to you they're just there to be carried and to leach. So, instead of showing a more positive outlook about it - you're basically hostile towards them. What kind of image does that paint when you have the premade discord group being hostile and then telling them to 'join a premade/discord group' when all they've seen is the discord group being hostile? You get threads like this and people complaining about the discord groups which make people even less likely to join them.

Nah, if I went in for the first time with the intention of pulling my own weight and then I'm met with hostile people snarling at me to get into discord then guess what, I'm not going to join the discord which has those people in it. Already you've painted them in a bad light; people are going to be dispositioned to be hostile even when they join the discord group. 'Look there's that person who sniped my portal, grrrrr'.

Again those who enter the portals may enter them with innocent intentions and with a mind to actually clear the content and pull their own weight. Why would they assume that discord is needed when up until now, no such coordination is needed and the way SE has set it up is for first come first serve to fill the instance. You can't blame those who are taking the portals without gatekeeping and you have no right to do that.

I haven't seen one person here specifically say 'Wahhh, the organised group isn't carrying me' - OP specifically said that this particular person wanted to group up so they were part of the organised group. They could have invited her and offered the discord link. They didn't. If what OP said is true they effectively blacklisted her.

And from your previous posts, it wouldn't surprise me that any newbie who takes a portal without being part of your premade is also effectively blacklisted - instead of, you know, guiding them. The excuse of 'Oh I tried it once and it didn't work' is dumb.

If you don't like the fact people can take the portals without there being limitations on just who can take them. Then you either need to complain to SE or adjust. And people wonder why SE updated their rules policy - yeah, they saw this coming alright.

While I can totally understand the frustration of losing the spot to another; when people devolve into harassing the person - then yeah, there's a person at fault alright. They shouldn't be surprised or shocked if they're reported for their actions. Just like you can't be surprised or shocked if someone doesn't want to join a voice chat when those same people were hostile to them moments before.

In the end, what you expect is for people to have experience in BA, yet to get experience in BA they need to join a premade or 'snipe' a portal. If they're new to BA after doing previous eureka grinds which didn't need discord communication - then somehow they should automatically know that they need to join a premade and use discord communication to get anywhere. No, that's not how it works. Honestly, people need to see it to believe it. Isn't that how this started in the first place? With everyone randomly going into the portals and trying by full-on pugging? I don't see how this isn't any different - people are still going to go into BA with that kind of mindset - they will eventually learn in a good environment with people willing to help. Just like in every content that is beyond the causal dungeon run.