Baldesion Arsenal Feedback

[Brill_]

People can very well both do runs as PUGS and with premades, especially considering it may be difficult to find a free instance with BA available for a 48 men group.

Yet even with taking this into account, it doesn't happen.

IMO, it doesn't happen because the dicords have laid claim to all of BA. They shame people that won't do things their way and feel they are entitled to all the portals. So people don't bother trying to pug. This all goes back to SE terrible implementation. Given the way eureka has gone, SE will double down on this portal stuff and make it even worse(like pagos was).

[Xellos2099]

People in NA unironically think that you NEED Discord and that you NEED to sit around for 3-5 hours instance hopping, because people can't dodge chariot/dynamo without voice chat. This isn't even "coordination", it's just players being bad. You need to have 3-4 people talking over each other for callouts, 2-3 people breathing heavily in the mic/eating chips, etc...

The absolute state of North America.

Now you are just passively saying anyone who use discord are bad player. The way I see it, it is a way to ensure highest chance of clear run if a group if player with similar experience group together

[Xellos2099]

IMO, it doesn't happen because the dicords have laid claim to all of BA. They shame people that won't do things their way and feel they are entitled to all the portals. So people don't bother trying to pug. This all goes back to SE terrible implementation. Given the way eureka has gone, SE will double down on this portal stuff and make it even worse(like pagos was).

Incorrectly, while farming crystal I have seen plenty of instance with no BA group inside. Yet I barely see anyone go in, or when they go in and they die to trash. Yet when BA group is in instance, everyone else want to go in and ask if there are empty spot.

[Epidendrum]

JP has about 41,000 people running around Eureka from while NA has about 15,000, give or take people who just aren't interested or . Something else to remember is that people in NA and EU just... don't do content the same way JP players do. It's a well known fact that more JP players will try everything the game has to offer while less of NA does. The Aether BA discord has only around 2,200 members. While this isn't everyone who wants to do BA on Aether, I would wager it is most of them. That's only about 15% of the original 5.8% of players that cleared through Pyros.

Not to mention that the overall skill level of NA and EU is much lower than JP. Most people can barely coordinate in Orbonne, much less Baldesion. Less than average players more than likely do need help in BA with callouts, which is why Discord may be preferable for them.

I guess you could say NA/EU don't do content the way JP do, based people sharing what goes on in their data centres for just the arsenal, it is apparent.
Yes, I can confirm that JP has many players who will try all content to completion. Most players don't have many strong likes or dislikes about the game. We see it as content to be done. If we really dislike something, most of will silently avoid it altogether.
As for skill level, I can't comment on the actual state of things. The view we have here on Gaia is that NA/EU has exceptionally skilled players. We expect NA/EU to world first practically all content. Rather than the players having a higher skill level, I would say player temperament and work ethic is near homogeneous through the JP community whereas NA/EU from descriptions here - have large variations.

This homogeneity doesn't translate to skill, i.e. players will do their best but their current best may not be able to clear the content; but with practice they can get there. If they are not interested or harbour a dislike for certain aspects of the game(which in itself is rare), they will simply not do it. I know a few players on my server who don't touch Eureka but are running Hidden Gorge about 4 hours a day. The reason is simple, if for any reason you are not motivated to do some, don't do it and drag the community down with your poor attitude, remove yourself from the equation totally, and do something else that you have motivation in. Having a neutral outlook, having no opinion, but being a working cog in a well oiled machine is considered to be on the side of having a good attitude.

This means that in Gaia, with respect to the arsenal(or any content actually), you can count on people wanting to go in, and clear it. They wouldn't be in Hydatos otherwise. However, from what Xellos has been describing, it isn't the same over there.

[Tsumdere]

I guess you could say NA/EU don't do content the way JP do, based people sharing what goes on in their data centres for just the arsenal, it is apparent.
Yes, I can confirm that JP has many players who will try all content to completion. Most players don't have many strong likes or dislikes about the game. We see it as content to be done. If we really dislike something, most of will silently avoid it altogether.
As for skill level, I can't comment on the actual state of things. The view we have here on Gaia is that NA/EU has exceptionally skilled players. We expect NA/EU to world first practically all content. Rather than the players having a higher skill level, I would say player temperament and work ethic is near homogeneous through the JP community whereas NA/EU from descriptions here - have large variations.

This homogeneity doesn't translate to skill, i.e. players will do their best but their current best may not be able to clear the content; but with practice they can get there. If they are not interested or harbour a dislike for certain aspects of the game(which in itself is rare), they will simply not do it. I know a few players on my server who don't touch Eureka but are running Hidden Gorge about 4 hours a day. The reason is simple, if for any reason you are not motivated to do some, don't do it and drag the community down with your poor attitude, remove yourself from the equation totally, and do something else that you have motivation in. Having a neutral outlook, having no opinion, but being a working cog in a well oiled machine is considered to be on the side of having a good attitude.

This means that in Gaia, with respect to the arsenal(or any content actually), you can count on people wanting to go in, and clear it. They wouldn't be in Hydatos otherwise. However, from what Xellos has been describing, it isn't the same over there.

JP players as a whole are much better at the game just by process of trying content and slowly learning it. The large majority of players on NA don't do anything except MSQ and dungeons. A few outliers like the wonderful world first players we have on NA/EU are not indicative of the whole community.

In my experience on Aether doing BA, no one wants to do it except the premades and a handful of very, very vocal people who seethe and shriek and the mere mention of premade. In fact, most instances actually have no BA team in them at all. You shout to do BA and only two or three people respond, so you end up just not doing it. The one PUG I have ever seen go into fruition, I joined and we all wiped before the first boss because we did not have enough tanks and people were just that bad. Not a single word was spoken except for a few insults and name calling after people died.

[HyoMinPark]

IMO, it doesn't happen because the dicords have laid claim to all of BA. They shame people that won't do things their way and feel they are entitled to all the portals. So people don't bother trying to pug. This all goes back to SE terrible implementation. Given the way eureka has gone, SE will double down on this portal stuff and make it even worse(like pagos was).

This is incorrect for Aether DC. I've been in several Hydatos instances with no premade groups, and you either get a dozen or so people that shout about going into BA after Ovni dies, or none at all. And there is virtually no preplanning within the instance before Ovni spawns, just "lfg BA" after he dies. Occasionally I'll see someone ask, "Is there a BA group in here?" after he goes down. If there's no response, they don't attempt to organize a group themselves. If there is, they either say "good luck in there!" or begin to rant about how "portals don't belong to premade groups". If it's for AV/Ozma, they may ask if the Support party has filled or not. But the amount of within-instance planning is negligible.

The drama doesn't happen until the instance realizes that there's a premade group inside, and then people suddenly care about the content (and it's usually the same vocal few that want to cause a ruckus).

[Stanelis]

IMO, it doesn't happen because the dicords have laid claim to all of BA. They shame people that won't do things their way and feel they are entitled to all the portals. So people don't bother trying to pug. This all goes back to SE terrible implementation. Given the way eureka has gone, SE will double down on this portal stuff and make it even worse(like pagos was).

That's simply false because, as already stated, there are a decent amounts of instances where no BA premades can be found when OVNI spawns.

[ltsquigs]

Those JP PUG Macros look amazing.

Unfortunately theres no infrastructure for creating those kind of Macros in the NA Scene. Almost all strategies are gotten from video guides and are written/created by players in static groups with voice chat (usually on the first day as well), which makes their strategies usually fairly hard to use/understand by PUGs.

In the EX PF Primal Scene at least people use the video guide strats for the first day, and then quickly abandon them for strats that are more consistent/easy to explain (Tuskyomi EX and its Meteor placement is one that comes to mind where this happened). Unfortunately theres no effort to codify or share those kind of strats in macros like on the JP Side -_-

[Xellos2099]

Those JP PUG Macros look amazing.

Unfortunately theres no infrastructure for creating those kind of Macros in the NA Scene. Almost all strategies are gotten from video guides and are written/created by players in static groups with voice chat (usually on the first day as well), which makes their strategies usually fairly hard to use/understand by PUGs.

In the EX PF Primal Scene at least people use the video guide strats for the first day, and then quickly abandon them for strats that are more consistent/easy to explain (Tuskyomi EX and its Meteor placement is one that comes to mind where this happened). Unfortunately theres no effort to codify or share those kind of strats in macros like on the JP Side -_-

Or the infamous spyro strat for o10s

[Kuroka]

Well, the thing about that macro is that it's for the entire arsenal.

I know that ofc, but i imagine its a lot longer when translated to english or even german, as your lanugage saves a lot of space....
Its been ages i saw that on our servers wich is actually sad, as its nice for randoms and newbies, or when you didnt do smt for ages.

As for reading, if you ever have the chance to take a bus or train in Japan, just look around during the long rides. You'll see folks, young and old pull out books, not just manga but novels, non-fiction books on astronomy, marine life, etc., paperbacks mostly. Not ebooks or electronic readers, physical books are more common. There's a strong reading and writing culture, people love to read. Reading pages and pages of text is associated with enjoyment - leisure reading. Reading is not associated with something boring or a chore.

I sadly dont think ill ever manage to visit you... but here its different, mostly ppl listen to music or stick to their phones playing stuff or watching smt - i even got coworkers watchin movies on netflix for hours xD

Reading here is... difficult? There are many who enjoy it, but i rarely ever saw anyone reading on a train or bus, you dont even see pll read newspapers.

It was better some years ago but now you cant even get manga easily around here, novels are rather rare, basically you have to read online or buy from amazon >_>

Many times back then when i linked written guides, or even refered to stuff ingame, ppl flat out said theyre too lazy to read, which is sad.
-Its part of why FFXIII is hated so much... ppl hated to have to read so much from the lore, though i liked it...

These people that I encountered are using the 405 physeos variant, which means although statless it has the massive +348 elemental bonus. As for annoyance, that's up to you.

Well that is smt totally different and i know of some cases who simply only ever used eureka or primal weapons due being lazy, not using any of the materia we get either...

That's the thought process of a typical Gaia player, more or less. There is an initial emotional reaction, followed by the quick realisation that crying over spilt milk does not help.

That is smt that would not work here. Do ppl on your side ragequit too? Like we tried BA with randoms and had about 2 parties for each side, our side was doing well but one of our healers, a sch was slow in healing, didt use some skills so the tank died twice, the other heal told him to get a grip as he cant heal us all alone and so all but me and 2-3 others died... we were too few and we knew, it was more "lets try for fun" but that still was... annoying. What was worse was the heal just disconected to not face the consequences of his mistake... which was funny as our timer was about to run out so we other didnt loose a level and I just ressed the others back at the camp xD

Its ok to make mistakes, but not to reflect on em and just leave is... low...

On our mindset there is no more choice, either you join a discord party or... well you wont clear, ive acepted that i wont...
Just like on several primals were it was the golden rule to have no double jobs, yet i farmed several jsut fine with 2-3 doubles and without need for a LB at all... just cause ppl desperately follow the meta, even if man dont actually can utilize the benefits.... i feel its a similiar problem.

A video is someone else's voice and gameplay. Both become so much more when you write your own feeling and understanding about it.

See thats similiar to my mindest, though i prefer to blindly smash the boss and reflect about it, to learn the fight, i smt watch a vid after some kills to confirm myself.

...the part about your LS mate sounds nice, we might have similar players but i never encountered one. Overall you seem to take all that way lighter and more like its a game then a job or smt... weird xD

No but really, idm wiping a lot, bt some ppl leave after a few small mistakes, even if you cleared the fight before. Like recently i was doing seiryu, we did a ton of dmg and it went super fast.... till one heal messed and all fell apart like a house of cards. I managed to not die too fast and ress the heals + a dps, so they continued till the lb was full and ressed us. we still cleared before the enrage despite ppl were dead for like almost a min. Mistakes happen and we rly did well, but still ppl just left.

On the other hand you got those rly terrible players, who kill the group multiple times, do close to 0 dmg yet try for hours and hours... not wondering why its soooo hard.

So Kuroka, since people are kind of similar apart from cultural differences - are the PUGs similar in your data centre?

Well i gave some of my examples above, but further we got the problem with the french - and ofc my german mates too, who have that huge language barrier, preventing them from talking, or even gettin help. I do see EU has a way harder time as most its players dont share their native language and that makes problems.... many different mindsets, i do see why we have such a hard time for setling for one strat. We just have it harder from the go...

But its complicated here, i got both, german players only having the J and E active and french players only having E and D active, its weird seeing this, i even heard they wanna avoind vertain kinds of ppl... xD

Its not that bad over all, just some things make it complicated... bad players wont get better from excluding them. Like ppl left Weeping city back then a lot, jsut cause they didnt wanna teach ppl ozma... the first few weeks we had frequently the timer run out on him. The more ppl you got, the harder it gets, even on mechanics youd often see ppl go "meh let someone else do it" or "nah i dont stack there 3 ppl will do" and wipe us with that.

Most got no time to waste and only want success, no matter who they leave behind...

I heard that in the west, reading is associated more with studying and some see it as a forced thing. So especially for the younger generation, reading isn't particularly enjoyed.

This id say is true, while especially here were we got many artists, fanfic writers or fantasy fans that loves such storys, most hate it...

You should have seen the gazes i got when reading several novels at work on my phone, some time ago....
-tbh, i dont read as much anymore as once i start i have to finish... i smt read manga or a novel till 3-4 am when i had to work the next day xD


Edit: sry this got longer then i though.... and later, sry for my typos^^"