Quote Originally Posted by Epidendrum View Post
Here on Gaia, parties have never failed to form after an Ovni kill. Getting 56 people into the same instance is rather difficult, ensuring these 56 get to the portals adds another layer of difficulty. That is why, we avoid such situations. We can count on players to have: (1) basic competency to perform rotations, (2) attempting to perform mechanics, or at the very least (3) recognising that every person reaching the end counts, thus they want the group to succeed, because as an individual they want to succeed.

Players new to the arsenal can go in safely, knowing that in a pure PUG, there definitely will be people willing to mentor. Or at the very least someone will go to our usual source and copy+paste the JP macro for all to see. That is a given.

Premades here on Gaia have a different approach. Getting people into the arsenal is never an issue. The issue would likely be insufficient tanks and/or healers. So the premades I have met, are as such: 1 group 8, 4 healers, 4 tanks. Must be able to execute all mechanics in the arsenal as your role (tank, healer only), be willing to mentor random players, and have multiple clears in order to join their discord. Inside the arsenal, they split up and lead individual parties. Getting 8 people into the arsenal together is a lot easier than getting 48 or 56.

Most runs will be PUGs, so sometimes we will have insufficient tanks and/or healers. The expectation is usually to stop before absolute virtue, just gathering from chests. no argument there. People are happy with this, expectations are set early on.

Xellos, perhaps I was unclear. I will clarify my queries. Without the discord groups in NA/EU, why can't NA/EU have the same success that Gaia/Mana has with pure PUG groups for the arsenal? What is stopping them from doing so? Why are only discord groups in NA/EU successfully clearing the arsenal but PUG groups are failing?
I believe it is the drive and desire to win. People who join the discord for this tend to be one who really want to clear and win this and thus they put more effort it.