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[Fiorinol]

I've never seen that happen. You're probably mixing up random people who are shouting that with the premades. Since the premades in all my runs always say on mic "do not engage in shout chat" when it becomes toxic like that. And if anyone bullies you in chat, you have every right to report them.

I'm going to clarify this: it's never the full premade, it's always 2-3 players taking it upon themselves to run the anti-snipe crusade. For instance, in one completed run, a player went into shout chat "by the way don't snipe like fiorinol ririnori from gilgamesh".

Well, then say that to them in the chat before the portals stabilize. Let them know of your intentions, since it's your right. It's up to them in that case to leave you to enter all by yourself or compete with you for the portal. And they also have the right to not include you in a party, heal you, kill a mob that's attacking you or use sacrifice on you if you died for that matter. GM's stated you can be reported for actions like entering and leaving (thus costing them a spot that they could have used for no reason).

They already think you're being someone doing a bad thing. Why would you announce anything in chat? Nobody has to. You might think it's courteous, but I don't think they'll view it that way.

[Myon88]

Probably high defense dps with platebearer with really careful dps on not to pull hate and top class healer? Which again, require some specific setup

You can also sacrifice one person to the 6th room if you lack a 6th tank, it requires a very generous soul, but I've seen it done in a raid I was in. They activate the button alone inside and invariably die, at some point once everyone else is back out, their door will open and they'll be dead inside with the mobs leashed. You can then pull those mobs with everyone else, and sacrifice L that person back up and continue to AV.

[Raisek]

That made no sense.. if you don't have 6 tan k you can't even do the rooms

Pray tell, what made no sense? If our PUG didn't have at least 6 tanks, we just progress till we get the 3 chests after Raiden and call it quits. If not, all PUGs in Elemental are basically capable of reaching Ozma at least.

[AnnaMolly]

Someone in here strikes me as the type who doesn't really care too much about BA, they just like to complain and play the contrarian for their own amusement.


Not naming names though.

[Rockette]

Portal discussions aside...

Currently I am sitting with 56 other people in an instance that took us 45minutes to get us all into and now we are waiting probably 90min for the BA group ahead of us to finish their run.

BA desperately needs its own instancing.

Update: It's been 3 hours. We're giving up.

[Commander_Justitia]

They don't have the "technology" to queue for a dungeon from within an instance.
I wouldn't prefer pug groups for BA but I seriously think people are underestimating the gear difference we will have in the next weeks. Clear times for ozma are already at five minutes? The scaling from the elemental stats is extreme, it could make it possible for less organized parties to clear.
I hate to see half the people of the instance in a BA too, it makes fatespawning and finding groups for e.g. boxes more difficult, because of less players. The support fate should reward a tiny amount eureka fragments as compensation.

[Ovenmitts]

I'm going to clarify this: it's never the full premade, it's always 2-3 players taking it upon themselves to run the anti-snipe crusade. For instance, in one completed run, a player went into shout chat "by the way don't snipe like fiorinol ririnori from gilgamesh". They already think you're being someone doing a bad thing. Why would you announce anything in chat? Nobody has to. You might think it's courteous, but I don't think they'll view it that way.

Because what you're doing is a "bad thing" and you know it. You just admitted it in your sentence. Why would you not say your intentions ahead of time if it wasn't wrong?

The portal people like you snipe could potentially take away a key member from an organized run. Leading to an awkward situation for the rest of the group, nevermind if more than 1 sniper went in. Don't you think it's funny how in instances without an organized premade, no one enters BA? Now why is that? Because at most you will get maybe 18 people, who could be all dps for all you know. This content requires organization. You capitalize on other people organizing ahead of time in order to further your own agenda.

Yes, outside communication programs are not necessary to complete content. Yes, you can organize in game. But does anyone really do that for BA? Don't lie to yourself to make yourself look like the victim. The discord group is not a bad thing. It is encouraging people to gather together for the sake of doing the content. And look at how many ozma mounts you see whirling around because of it.

If you don't want to join the discord, that's on you. But you would need to find a way to corral an entire 7 man group in order to get that mount. And good luck doing that. Last time I saw someone shout asking for a group, pretty much the request was ignored in favor of bunnies

[AnnaMolly]

"Really, because I saw you say xyz in shout chat"
You have too many posts to not know you can't make comments like that

Is that just your thing? Shaming people by post content and post count?

You have too many posts to be doing that.

[Ovenmitts]

You know, outside of the hurdles of the abysmal instance system and the lack of any real way to organize a BA run in-game, I think the arsenal is some of the freshest, most fun I've had in a while in XIV. It's a nice breath of fresh air from the 24 man weeklies and the arena battles that plague ex/raid content. It just feels like an adventure. I love the no rezzing in there. Although the bosses and the trash aren't difficult, the "challenge" if you can call it that comes from not screwing up. I really love that there is a fate that spawns outside of the dungeon and the people outside have to work together to assist the people in raid. It's such a nice team dynamic and it's also such a shame that SE failed to deliver a better method of execution. Seriously. Give us a way to make our own private instances or, failing that, give benefits to the people outside of the dungeon as rewards for helping people in the dungeon. I think that would really help ease tensions between everyone.

[KageTokage]

The only thing about the instance itself that I feel is really poorly designed is how needlessly punishing Acceleration Bomb is.

Just make it instakill the player who screws it up, rather endanger his entire group.

It's literally the only reason I haven't gotten a clear yet because there's always that guy who doesn't know how to resolve it properly and kills everybody (I had a 10% wipe because of it on my first Ozma attempt...), and with a "public" instance with few significant barriers to entry you're going to be getting a lot more of those people then you would in stuff like Savage raids. I can almost guarantee that even groups that have successfully cleared likely only managed so because the bombs happened to end up on the people who did know how to not mess them up.