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[Alucard135]

Premades always come in with a full roster of 48-56 players and invade the instances with their big boots. Despite what they might say, they will rain down on your parade if you dare take a portal. You're not "asking nicely", you're coming in and monopolizing the instance. This isn't how the content works. Other players have nothing to gain from cooperating with you in any way; they don't get to use any of the portals.

And then these same groups expect other players to go sit in Discord for up to 5 hours instance hopping (see: other posters) to be able to sit in an instance to wait for Ovni to spawn. Ridiculous. I pay a subscription to play the game, not sit on a 3rd party service for hours.

You know you can report them if they did that IF what you're saying is true regarding monopolizing the instance, which I've never seen. In fact, I've seen the exact opposite. I've seen the other side bad mouthing BA groups, thinking they prevent PW from spawning, saying "I wish they all fail" in shout chat (yet they were the first to run to kill Ovni and the support NM lol).

And regarding the portals, when the premades say they want it, those who say "it's my right to take a portal" stay quiet all the time till the portal spawn and stabilizes. Then they take it and shout "it's my right". Why not say so from the start? I've never seen the premades claim the portals harass anyone who wanted to participate before the portals spawn, since nobody talks till they snipe it lol.

There is also another GM response about that I saw yesterday.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...iping_portals/

[Xellos2099]

Tonberry (Elemental[JP] DC) here. The Japanese also use discord (or other means outside the game) to organise runs, but PUGs over here are also very very prevalant, to the point where you'll have 3 to 4 people camping per portal during primetime. And no, most people aren't happy with the entry requirements. To quote somebody on the JP forums 'I want to fight the bosses inside the dungeon, not the players outside.'. And as I've said in a previous post, portal stealing/sniping are RAMPANT over here. Everybody is miserable, and this whole shenanigan has brought out the toxicity in both EN and JP players alike in my datacentre.

That made no sense.. if you don't have 6 tan k you can't even do the rooms

[Miminming]

actually you can, i dont know how they do it but theres only 5 tank tonight and we manage to do the room... i must say the party withouth tank are super to do it...

[Liam_Harper]

Premades always come in with a full roster of 48-56 players and invade the instances with their big boots. Despite what they might say, they will rain down on your parade if you dare take a portal.

Would you have taken a portal if the premade did not exist? (Most likely meaning one or two 8 man groups of randoms at most, very likely missing key roles).

I know I wouldn't, it'd be an absolute waste of time. You'd wipe immediately. All the premades I've seen have been friendly about it and I simply wish them good luck in BA and continue my business. I am not entitled to a carry from them.

Also pre-mades are not taking every instance. I see a premade maybe 1 in 5 instances, nothing is stopping you going in randomly in the other 4 and losing 30% of your exp to the first trash if you really want.

[Xellos2099]

actually you can, i dont know how they do it but theres only 5 tank tonight and we manage to do the room... i must say the party withouth tank are super to do it...

Probably high defense dps with platebearer with really careful dps on not to pull hate and top class healer? Which again, require some specific setup

[Fiorinol]

You know you can report them if they did that IF what you're saying is true regarding monopolizing the instance, which I've never seen. In fact, I've seen the exact opposite. I've seen the other side bad mouthing BA groups, thinking they prevent PW from spawning, saying "I wish they all fail" in shout chat (yet they were the first to run to kill Ovni and the support NM lol).

And regarding the portals, when the premades say they want it, those who say "it's my right to take a portal" stay quiet all the time till the portal spawn and stabilizes. Then they take it and shout "it's my right". Why not say so from the start? I've never seen the premades claim the portals harass anyone who wanted to participate before the portals spawn, since nobody talks till they snipe it lol.

There is also another GM response about that I saw yesterday.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...iping_portals/

When people say they want to take a portal on Aether, it devolves into a chat argument. In some instances, a few select players from the premade will bully players, going as far as to claim that they'll report people because obviously someone taking to not run the content is the same as someone who does, so why would players say anything?.

If I see a premade coming and claiming "reserved", I don't care if I'm doing ceto or PW prep, I'm going in. And you know what you're gonna do? Nothing. Because you don't own the portals. You're gonna go on your discord and type angrily. I'm not going to "grief" you, I'm going to run the content, although that's what people seem to think it is.

Would you have taken a portal if the premade did not exist? (Most likely meaning one or two 8 man groups of randoms at most, very likely missing key roles).

I know I wouldn't, it'd be an absolute waste of time. You'd wipe immediately. All the premades I've seen have been friendly about it and I simply wish them good luck in BA and continue my business. I am not entitled to a carry from them.

Also pre-mades are not taking every instance. I see a premade maybe 1 in 5 instances, nothing is stopping you going in randomly in the other 4 and losing 30% of your exp to the first trash if you really want.

You do not have a choice in the matter. So many people decided to do Discord that the system is unsustainable unless you have the time to sit around for hours. And people will simply not join a random BA, instead vying to take portals from discord groups who are almost always full. I have tried taking randoms into BA, I think that would be fun, but we nary get more than 12 players.

I don't quite understand the "carrying" argument. There are plenty people on Discord who will die to simple mechanics like Chariot without callouts and do 0 reading beforehand. If you take their portals, you have to heal yourself and nobody will sacrifice for you.

[KageTokage]

From attempting to do PUG BAs groups for the first week or so, it really is the trend that people will show little to no interest in the place unless there's a premade around, then it almost invariably degrades into a mess of drama the moment anyone so much as suggests leaving a portal for someone else.

It annoys me that they want to paint the premades as bad guys for "monopolizing" the instance when these same people in all likelyhood wouldn't even touch it otherwise. They're more just getting triggered by people trying to infringe on their right to enter the instance then anything else, since most of the time the guys complaining in shout chat aren't even trying to take the portals.

My attitude is that if they want to take the portals, they can go right ahead and I'm not going to berate them for it because while it is their right, chances are they'll just die because the only people who'll want to party with them are other stragglers from outside the premade. As has oft been repeated, we only have SE to blame for things ending up this way with Discord basically being required to get a proper group going.

[Vahlnir]

From attempting to do PUG BAs groups for the first week or so, it really is the trend that people will show little to no interest in the place unless there's a premade around, then it almost invariably degrades into a mess of drama the moment anyone so much as suggests leaving a portal for someone else.

It annoys me that they want to paint the premades as bad guys for "monopolizing" the instance when these same people in all likelyhood wouldn't even touch it otherwise.

It all comes down to how BA access was implemented and, let's be honest, it's a mess. It would have been better to allow us to queue for it inside Hydatos with a full alliance, and maybe have 2 Alliances assigned to an instance together. That's 8 less than the 56 that can currently enter but it'd be more efficient. Sure it'd still be random but it'd make it more easily accessible and allow more people to experience it, which would mean more potential clears. It would also make recruiting in shout chat the way it was supposedly intended much more doable. They wouldn't even have to lower the difficulty either.

[Fiorinol]

From attempting to do PUG BAs groups for the first week or so, it really is the trend that people will show little to no interest in the place unless there's a premade around, then it almost invariably degrades into a mess of drama the moment anyone so much as suggests leaving a portal for someone else.

It annoys me that they want to paint the premades as bad guys for "monopolizing" the instance when these same people in all likelyhood wouldn't even touch it otherwise. They're more just getting triggered by people infringing on their right to enter the instance then anything else, since most of the time the guys complaining in shout chat aren't even trying to take the portals.

It's a terrible system. Unless you have 48-56 players in a discord ran by 3rd parties, spawning a new instance is very difficult. At that point, other players have all the benefit in the world to take your portals, and 0 benefit from cooperating with you. You have no claim to it. This is a player-created problem.

In the case of the 56 premade, players just have 0 reason to do the fate as it has no incentive beyond other fates. The portals are supposed to be the reward, but nope, RESERVED.

[Alucard135]

When people say they want to take a portal on Aether, it devolves into a chat argument. In some instances, a few select players from the premade will bully players, going as far as to claim that they'll report people because obviously someone taking to not run the content is the same as someone who does, so why would players say anything?.

I've never seen that happen. You're probably mixing up random people who are shouting that with the premades. Since the premades in all my runs always say on mic "do not engage in shout chat" when it becomes toxic like that. And if anyone bullies you in chat, you have every right to report them.

If I see a premade coming and claiming "reserved", I don't care if I'm doing ceto or PW prep, I'm going in. And you know what you're gonna do? Nothing. Because you don't own the portals. You're gonna go on your discord and type angrily. I'm not going to "grief" you, I'm going to run the content, although that's what people seem to think it is.

Well, then say that to them in the chat before the portals stabilize. Let them know of your intentions, since it's your right. It's up to them in that case to leave you to enter all by yourself or compete with you for the portal. And they also have the right to not include you in a party, heal you, kill a mob that's attacking you or use sacrifice on you if you died for that matter. GM's stated you can be reported for actions like entering and leaving (thus costing them a spot that they could have used for no reason).