Please no more Eureka!

[Reynhart]

This isn't true at all, there's plenty of casual players who play the game a lot but don't do the harder content

Again, "casuals" are not simply "people who don't raid", they're people who don't have heavy dedication in the game. Like I said above, if you play 2-4h/night, and 6-10h/day on week-end, you're not a "casual" player.

As opposed to the relic weapons that were made "for people who don't raid". And casual players won't really farm tens of thousands of tomestone to buy a weapon that requires you to stay engaged each and every patch when they can obtain a cheaper (and better) weapon every 6 months.

[Sheriyana]

Again, "casuals" are not simply "people who don't raid", it's people who don't have heavy dedication in the game. Like I said above, if you play 2-4h/night, and 6-10h/day on week-end, you're not a "casual" player.

As opposed to the relic weapons that were made "for people who don't raid". And casual players won't really farm tens of thousands of tomestone to buy a weapon that requires you to stay engaged each and every patch when they can obtain a cheaper (and better) weapon every 6 months.

Then what do you call players who play every waking moment but don't touch any of the harder content? They're not hardcore because they don't do savage, they're not midcore because they don't do ex primals, according to you they're not even casual. Mr. Happy calls these people hardcore casuals and I think it's a good term for people like these, of which I consider myself to be a part of as well.

[Vahlnir]

Then what do you call players who play every waking moment but don't touch any of the harder content? They're not hardcore because they don't do savage, they're not midcore because they don't do ex primals, according to you they're not even casual. Mr. Happy calls these people hardcore casuals and I think it's a good term of people like these, of which I consider myself to be a part of as well.

Yeah, there is definitely different types of casual play. It doesn't always come down to how much someone plays, but how they play in the time that they do.

[Sheriyana]

Yeah, there is definitely different types of casual play. It doesn't always come down to how much someone plays, but how they play in the time that they do.

Exactly this!

[Reynhart]

Then what do you call players who play every waking moment but don't touch any of the harder content? They're not hardcore because they don't do savage, they're not midcore because they don't do ex primals, according to you they're not even casual. Mr. Happy calls these people hardcore casuals and I think it's a good term for people like these, of which I consider myself to be a part of as well.

In some previous post, I called us "Grinders". The problem I see with "hardcore casuals" is that they're far closer to "hardcore dedication" than "casual dedication".

Yeah, there is definitely different types of casual play. It doesn't always come down to how much someone plays, but how they play in the time that they do.

There are different types of hardcore play. It doesn't really feel appropriate to call the PvP season winner a "casual" if he simply doesn't raid.

[Vahlnir]

In some previous post, I called us "Grinders". The problem I see with "hardcore casuals" is that they're far closer to "hardcore dedication" than "casual dedication".

There are different types of hardcore play. It doesn't really feel appropriate to call the PvP season winner a "casual" if he simply doesn't raid.

K. Glad we got that sorted out.

[Sheriyana]

In some previous post, I called us "Grinders". The problem I see with "hardcore casuals" is that they're far closer to "hardcore dedication" than "casual dedication".

There are different types of hardcore play. It doesn't really feel appropriate to call the PvP season winner a "casual" if he simply doesn't raid.

And how does it not count as hardcore dedication if they play more than some actually hardcore players who do savage and ex primals and all that? Obviously a hardcore PvPer wouldn't be called a casual, he'd be called a hardcore PvPer, I think that distinction is allowed since one is hardcore in PvE content and the other in PvP, I wouldn't call either any less hardcore.

You can call them grinders or whatever you want but in general the vast majority of the playerbase is considered casual and I can assure you most of them aren't only people who play 2 hours a week like you seem to suggest as the only definition for a casual player besides not doing harder content.

[Lambdafish]

Obviously a hardcore PvPer wouldn't be called a casual, he'd be called a hardcore PvPer, I think that distinction is allowed since one is hardcore in PvE content and the other in PvP, I wouldn't call either any less hardcore.

Its almost as though Hardcore content vs. Casual content is a misnomer created by the community. Hardcore players exist, as do casual players, but content is not created for them. Content is created with a spectrum in mind. Hardcore raiders do the hardest raids, casual players do the NM and 24 man raids, hardcore PVPers do ranked feast, casual PVPers do frontlines, Hardcore Eurekans do BA and min max their gear, casual Eurekans fate grind and get their weapon at their own pace.

[Imuka]

Its almost as though Hardcore content vs. Casual content is a misnomer created by the community. Hardcore players exist, as do casual players, but content is not created for them. Content is created with a spectrum in mind. Hardcore raiders do the hardest raids, casual players do the NM and 24 man raids, hardcore PVPers do ranked feast, casual PVPers do frontlines, Hardcore Eurekans do BA and min max their gear, casual Eurekans fate grind and get their weapon at their own pace.

And this is something that starts to bore me out in 14. Easy Mode and Hard Mode.
There is nearly nothing in between.
Maybe the single ex Primal per Patch.
Either you go for Savage and mostly need a Static or you go for the 24 Player Raids, that are just faceroll Content.
Expert Roulette is from my View even for the most casual Players underchallenging in every way.

Sometimes, all you want is a Dungeon, that is a bit more challenging and requires you to play serious, but you do not need to tryhard the whole time.

[Awful]

And this is something that starts to bore me out in 14. Easy Mode and Hard Mode.
There is nearly nothing in between.
Maybe the single ex Primal per Patch.
Either you go for Savage and mostly need a Static or you go for the 24 Player Raids, that are just faceroll Content.
Expert Roulette is from my View even for the most casual Players underchallenging in every way.

Sometimes, all you want is a Dungeon, that is a bit more challenging and requires you to play serious, but you do not need to tryhard the whole time.

I agree I wish we had something in the middle for Mid-Core players this game is sorely lacking it, the game goes from handholding to Savage where it's night and day. I honestly wish we had something like Mythic+ in FFXIV from WoW that way you can have a challenge while having rewards and gear while providing weekly challenges, there has to be a middle ground.