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    Quote Originally Posted by Lambdafish View Post
    With this suggestion, you either have a job with either half a skillset, or two robust skillsets. The former would cause a raid balanced job that feels half finished, and the latter would lead to the same problem that leads to us never having a job like SMN/SCH again, in that it would be better to have a brand new job with the same ideas that BLU may bring (without the gimmicks and collecting identity), and have BLU be purely "limited", than create BLU with both the collecting and crazy aspect, and the raid balance.


    I don't think you're right here. Because the appeal of the limited set is stupid gimmicks, you could create the raid set to feel robust and like a real job, because the only difference between the raid set and limited is the limited just takes gimmick skills instead of practical ones. Having a full feeling raid balance doesn't have to be mutually exclusive to having the limited half as well, because the limited half already feels disjointed and weird. I also think the SCH/ SMN comparison is a false equivalency, because the limited aspect isn't something that has to balanced in tandem to the raid set like sch and smns abilities have to be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ReiMakoto View Post
    I don't think you're right here. Because the appeal of the limited set is stupid gimmicks, you could create the raid set to feel robust and like a real job, because the only difference between the raid set and limited is the limited just takes gimmick skills instead of practical ones. Having a full feeling raid balance doesn't have to be mutually exclusive to having the limited half as well, because the limited half already feels disjointed and weird. I also think the SCH/ SMN comparison is a false equivalency, because the limited aspect isn't something that has to balanced in tandem to the raid set like sch and smns abilities have to be.
    I think you misunderstand the point I'm getting at. What I'm saying is that all they have is the limited aspect. In order to create the second skillset that you are asking for, they would literally need to create and balance the equivalent of a brand new job and apply that to the BLU skeleton that we already have. Why would they do that when they could instead create a brand new job, and continue to flesh out what a limited job is. In that regard, the SMN/SCH problem is not a false equivalency,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lambdafish View Post
    Why would they do that
    For the same reasons they put BLU in the game in the first place - it is a staple FF job that is very popular and was repeatedly asked to be put in the game. However, many people, if not most, asked for BLU with the intention of playing the game with the job, and did not wish or even imagine for it to be reduced to a glorified battle fishing log with the battle equivalent of custom deliveries with the Masked Carnival's weekly challenges.

    All the while, they can still flesh out what limited jobs are, even with BLU. Only by then they'd have to re-brand it into "extended jobs".
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    At level 50 at least the skills already exist in the game with animations potencies a rotation ect. All it would probably take is an adjustment to a few skills. BLU already has all the pieces there to make the balanced set. I agree it would be effort and resources to do, but i think it would be worth the effort.
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