Gender locked race?

[Shougun]

It will be funny if the new race turns out to be a fancy lion instead of a bestial one like everybody is expecting XD

Vague expectation:


Reality:


Me:


XD

While I expect they might de-snout something like a lion (to be more BLESS Lion like) I'd be really sad if it's just a recolored larger miqote lol.

[Crushnight]

It will be funny if the new race turns out to be a fancy lion instead of a bestial one like everybody is expecting XD

you mean like this:


i jest who knows at this point all we know is manes very broad with how that can go

[Shippuu]

Since were still in the pre-order phase of the game, you will see cancellations regarding it

Not if people redeemed their early access items that come out March 1st, a month before any male Viera announcement. Redeeming that code waives getting a refund lol.

Again, consider a marketing perspective : Would you, a game dev, Go against what your fans want and introduce something that will directly impact the hype being generated for your upcoming xpac all because of superficial lore that is kinda flimsy at best?

Did implementing Au Ra go against what the fans wanted? It certainly wasn't Viera. Where was the backlash there? Did implementing no new race in Stormblood go against what fans wanted? What about adding only 2 DPS jobs in Stormblood, sure didn't give what 50% of the players of the game wanted there. Just because a subgroup of players don't get catered specifically to doesn't mean it's some huge affront to the mass fanbase of the game. Are there people who would be upset at no male Viera? Absolutely. But there's plenty of players who were already upset that it's Viera in the first place and would have rather seen something else.

Theres no hype in hrothgar currently among the fan base. No in game mentions except via glitches and subtle retcons, no mention of them from any previous Fan Fests, no artwork or dialogue regarding them from devs.

It's almost like they wanted it to be a surprise....so of course there isn't going to be any hype. And there's already a lot of hype for them despite us knowing almost nothing about them.

[redcurrant18]

Did implementing Au Ra go against what the fans wanted? It certainly wasn't Viera. Where was the backlash there? Did implementing no new race in Stormblood go against what fans wanted? What about adding only 2 DPS jobs in Stormblood, sure didn't give what 50% of the players of the game wanted there. Just because a subgroup of players don't get catered specifically to doesn't mean it's some huge affront to the mass fanbase of the game. Are there people who would be upset at no male Viera? Absolutely. But there's plenty of players who were already upset that it's Viera in the first place and would have rather seen something else.

The difference is that back then it was Au Ra which were teased using Yugiri, with no mention of Viera in the storyline up to that point. People only discovered that Viera were at some point considered being added to the game after Au Ra was officially confirmed. Viera have been teased using Fran, but we've had nothing at all to suggest Hrothgar specifically, or any other lion race except for several vague symbols that I couldn't pick up on at first glance. There is more hype for Viera than for Hrothgar for the obvious reason that we have known Viera were coming for far longer than Hrothgar, which was only discovered days ago because of a glitch.

That being said, if you're on the fence like I am, hold off on preordering until you know you're getting your money's worth. Getting a refund from game companies and stores is a hassle, so if you're not sure its better to wait until later. A pair of earrings isn't going to mean much when they eventually jack up the EXP boost on certain worlds to last until level 70, which I predict will probably happen.

[DevilsDontFly]

While I expect they might de-snout something like a lion (to be more BLESS Lion like) I'd be really sad if it's just a recolored larger miqote lol.

Knowing SE they might end up being like this:

[Melichoir]

Not if people redeemed their early access items that come out March 1st, a month before any male Viera announcement. Redeeming that code waives getting a refund lol.

Guarantee you not everyone has done that, nor has everyone who is considering pre-order done so yet.

Did implementing Au Ra go against what the fans wanted? It certainly wasn't Viera. Where was the backlash there? Did implementing no new race in Stormblood go against what fans wanted? What about adding only 2 DPS jobs in Stormblood, sure didn't give what 50% of the players of the game wanted there. Just because a subgroup of players don't get catered specifically to doesn't mean it's some huge affront to the mass fanbase of the game. Are there people who would be upset at no male Viera? Absolutely. But there's plenty of players who were already upset that it's Viera in the first place and would have rather seen something else.

Yes, people did complain, but accepted it begrudgingly along the lines "Well its FFXIV, maybe no viera." No new race in SB is a non-point because its been never stated that they would implement a new race every xpac. DPS point is also a non point. Theres no argument saying they need 3 every xpac. These are all apples youre arguing with in a situation of oranges. And, to a point, there were people upset at every single one of these things.

The trouble you run into with your points is this: There are no gender locked races in FFXIV. In 2.0, they gender unlocked two races. This sets player precedent and expectation going forward. There is no solid lore in the game currently that says no male Viera ever. None of hte devs, including Yoshi P, have not said definitively no male Viera when they are fully 100% aware there is a huge demand for this. This creates ambiguity regarding something that the player base is showing heavy interest in. SE has already demonstrated quite readily to gender unlock or make gender neutral things if there is a demand (glamours/hairstyles/etc), again setting player expectations. These are but a few points that illustrate that this situation is nothing like the examples you set forward which make those poitns moot.

As I pointed out before, if they made the bunny costume available for males over player demand, what do you think is going to happen with a player race if they gender lock Viera?

As for plenty of players upset over Viera? Im sure there are. But theyre not being all that vocal over it, even before the Viera reveal. Yeah, you are right that some people are upset, but I would hazard more people will be upset over them pulling a switch on expectations at the final fan fest.

It's almost like they wanted it to be a surprise....so of course there isn't going to be any hype. And there's already a lot of hype for them despite us knowing almost nothing about them.

This is pretty much silly nonsense. "Were gonna keep somethign absolutely secret. I mean so secret the only way people will know about it is if something bugs out and despite doing this will actually impact presales negatively by shortening enthusiasm period for a part of our product while throwing a larger hype train of players under the bus."

From a business perspective, they wouldve put out small bits and pieces, jsut like they did with Viera, to start drumming up hype and speculation. But surprise surprise, theyre not doing that with Hrothgar. This gets even more peculiar since there is a growing expectation among players for male Viera. So what was there plan? Just let that expectation and demand build up more and more all the while sitting on what they really want to give us and not giving any clues r context or etc so when they reveal it, it comes out of left field? That sounds like brilliant marketing.

[redcurrant18]

Knowing SE they might end up being like this:

All I see here is two Miqotes with a longer hairstyle. Thank you, next

[Gwenorai]

Knowing SE they might end up being like this:

... I'll take it.
Where do I sign for Hrothgar looking like this? How much money must I pay? How much juice must I drink? HOW MUCH MUST I LIFT?!

Orrrrr, just have it on the Miqo'te - where it's better suited.

Why can't dudes have the dreads/braids?

Why isn't the muscle scale on all races? Sigh.

[DevilsDontFly]

All I see here is two Miquotes with a longer hairstyle. Thank you, next

The point was: Knowing SE they won't step outside of the box too much with character design. They like consistency, hence why so many people say that all the races are just Hyur with blank.

[Melichoir]

All teh races are visually distinct (races not sub races). These would probably be to close in design to Miqote. Also to sexy.