So what is a Hrothgar?

[Karl0217]

The lore stresses how incredibly rare male Viera are, far moreso than miqote, and Yoshi's answer was to read the lore.

You think TWO full races is the more likely reality?

The lore also stresses that all male Viera serve as the border guards and the forest rangers for Viera territory. No exceptions and they all swear an oath not to let any evil encroach on that territory. We also know from the last Fan Fest that we are heading into Ra'Tika Greatwood, which the developers all but confirmed was Viera territory. And we know from the trailers, not just the main one but the location trailers as well, the Scions are present when one of the Greatwood villages gets the crap kicked out of it; probably by the Imperial Garlean Army units gunning for us. You want to talk lore? It would be lore-breaking in the extreme not to run into any hostile male Viera NPCs if we are responsible for bringing Garlean troops into their homeland and said troops targeting a Viera village.

[Seraphor]

The lore also stresses that all male Viera serve as the border guards and the forest rangers for Viera territory. No exceptions and they all swear an oath not to let any evil encroach on that territory. We also know from the last Fan Fest that we are heading into Ra'Tika Greatwood, which the developers all but confirmed was Viera territory. And we know from the trailers, not just the main one but the location trailers as well, the Scions are present when one of the Greatwood villages gets the crap kicked out of it; probably by the Imperial Garlean Army units gunning for us. You want to talk lore? It would be lore-breaking in the extreme not to run into any hostile male Viera NPCs if we are responsible for bringing Garlean troops into their homeland and said troops targeting a Viera village.

The lore states that no non-Viera have ever spotted a male Viera.
It's be incredibly lore-breaking if the NPC is talking to a male Viera as he says that.

We don't know what the Rak'tika Greatwood is in relation to the Viera as a race. The current lore only mentions Golmore. It could be a fringe settlement of Viera completely unconnected to those of Golmore.

[Karl0217]

The lore states that no non-Viera have ever spotted a male Viera.
It's be incredibly lore-breaking if the NPC is talking to a male Viera as he says that.

We don't know what the Rak'tika Greatwood is in relation to the Viera as a race. The current lore only mentions Golmore. It could be a fringe settlement of Viera completely unconnected to those of Golmore.

About as lore-breaking as Yugiri claiming she is hiding her face to not freak out the people in U'ldah at the sight of an Au Ra even if the PC is an Au Ra and there are a dozen other Au Ra's in the vicinity of the tavern? Also, he says no non-Viera has spotted a male Viera and lived to tell the tale; which is a bit different in context.

I swear to the twelve if one more person mentions gender-locked viera in this HROTHGAR THREAD....

Take it to the gender-locking thread. You have your own thread, USE IT!

Well, they are also talking about the Hrothgar in the Viera threads too. The subjects kind of overlap.

[Enla]

About as lore-breaking as Yugiri claiming she is hiding her face to not freak out the people in U'ldah at the sight of an Au Ra even if the PC is an Au Ra and there are a dozen other Au Ra's in the vicinity of the tavern? Also, he says no non-Viera has spotted a male Viera and lived to tell the tale; which is a bit different in context.

Or the fact that all the NPC's basically treat any Xaela PC as a non-entity in the Steppes. I remember being pretty disappointed that my character's race at the time basically mattered not one iota back then, but it's pretty par for the course with this game.

[Skeith9]

Or the fact that all the NPC's basically treat any Xaela PC as a non-entity in the Steppes. I remember being pretty disappointed that my character's race at the time basically mattered not one iota back then, but it's pretty par for the course with this game.

It matter's a lot more in the French localization. That's how we even found out about hrothgar. I kinda want to go play a scary fem Hrothgar in French just to get NPCs reactions. Buuut I don't speak French.

Well, they are also talking about the Hrothgar in the Viera threads too. The subjects kind of overlap.

I don't care, that's the gender-locking thread, this is the hrothgar thread. People are less likely to come here to talk and hype about Hrothgar if half of it is about male viera complaints.

Overlap? You can talk about choco cake in the choco thread but don't talk about choco bananas in the cake thread!

[Penthea]

I don't care, that's the gender-locking thread, this is the hrothgar thread. People are less likely to come here to talk and hype about Hrothgar if half of it is about male viera complaints.

Overlap? You can talk about choco cake in the choco thread but don't talk about choco bananas in the cake thread!

Wow the salt is real.

What makes you think hrothgar are unrelated to gender locking? Yoshida said viera is the last race but SE only showed females and have said zero about males. If hrothgar is another race then it's likely that they're male only. One gender locked race for each gender essentially adds up to one new race. I seriously doubt SE would give more racial options to female characters. That would cause some serious backlash.

We also have extremely little information about what hrothgar are. So indepth discussion about them alone is actually pretty difficult. Almost everything is baseless guesswork save for their potential relationship with the female viera, because we do know female viera are confirmed as a playable race.

[Karl0217]

We also have extremely little information about what hrothgar are. So indepth discussion about them alone is actually pretty difficult. Almost everything is baseless guesswork save for their potential relationship with the female viera, because we do know female viera are confirmed as a playable race.

Indeed, the only information we have on the Hrothgar right now are:

• A bug in the game showed them as being listed among the player character race selection which is how we know the name.
• The same bug showed if/else statements for male/female Hrothgar.
• We have one line of dialog from a Gladiator quest referencing a Hrothgar PC's majestic mane.

If we restricted discussion to that this thread would die very quickly.

i wouldnt be shocked in the slightest if if a lion race is just this with Lion ears and a tail

I am still not 100% sure they are lions though. We already have a cat-race with a lion tail option and the tribes of one of the sub-groups of said race, Seekers of the Sun, are organized the same way lion prides are. If the Hrothgar are lion-like it would just seem kind of redundant.

[xbahax92]

The lore states that no non-Viera have ever spotted a male Viera.
It's be incredibly lore-breaking if the NPC is talking to a male Viera as he says that.

The dialogue can be changed if players really do play a male Viera and talk to the dramaturge for example.
Coming here and talking about lore, defending it while many already gave many examples of how "lore-breaking" a playable race already is, is just a weak argument. Just as Yugiri hides her face, telling you that her appearance might put you off while you are playing a Xaela yourself. MSQ vs. Playable characters is still something that can be countered vice versa.

[Niqote]

The dialogue can be changed if players really do play a male Viera and talk to the dramaturge for example.
Coming here and talking about lore, defending it while many already gave many examples of how "lore-breaking" a playable race already is, is just a weak argument. Just as Yugiri hides her face, telling you that her appearance might put you off while you are playing a Xaela yourself. MSQ vs. Playable characters is still something that can be countered vice versa.

Not to mention, we are taking their refugees now. Veira children don't show their gender for a while (comparative to our other races) so the likelihood of Eorzea getting Male Veira lore wise is pretty good.
Dammit, waiting for this next Fanfest will be tougher then waiting for the others XD

[Melichoir]

The lore states that no non-Viera have ever spotted a male Viera.
It's be incredibly lore-breaking if the NPC is talking to a male Viera as he says that.

We don't know what the Rak'tika Greatwood is in relation to the Viera as a race. The current lore only mentions Golmore. It could be a fringe settlement of Viera completely unconnected to those of Golmore.

It's worth noting that the lore in FFXIV regarding Viera is in the Raid content, not the MSQ. So the average player may not even see that lore. Second, while lore says "Oh theyre rare", it doesnt say they dont exist and frankly it can be easily written that theyve come out of 'hiding', which woudl explain their increased numbers.

-FFXIV Stuff happens.
-Male Viera "Oh hey, maybe we should help do somethigna bout this." Comes otu of hiding en mass.
-In game NPCs "Oh look at these guys showing up! They were rare before but now theyre here cause plot reasons!"
- Game goes on and no one bats an eye about it after.

Also worth noting, teh current lore can be retconned to say "It used to be very rare a non Viera has seen a male Viera".

Anyways sorry for the aside.