Samurai 5.0 Wishlist

[CodingSession]

This may be an unpopular opinion, but I wish SAM remains a "selfish DPS". To me, the main appeal of SAM is its lack of utility. I just want to pump out damage without a care in the world.
So yes, I hope they don't give SAM too much utility. Keep it pure and simple.

[Acelyn]

This may be an unpopular opinion, but I wish SAM remains a "selfish DPS". To me, the main appeal of SAM is its lack of utility. I just want to pump out damage without a care in the world.
So yes, I hope they don't give SAM too much utility. Keep it pure and simple.

this sums up my opinion perfectly, i roll a rdm but also have a sam on backup and play them because they're selfish and simple, not every job needs to be the same. And as far as meta players go i can't care less, those weirdos will never be happy with anything that happens anyway.

[Seraph522]

this sums up my opinion perfectly, i roll a rdm but also have a sam on backup and play them because they're selfish and simple, not every job needs to be the same. And as far as meta players go i can't care less, those weirdos will never be happy with anything that happens anyway.

RDM isn't really a "selfish DPS," though; it brings raid utility in healing/rezzing and Embolden, which isn't much outside of progression but is utility nonetheless. The selfish caster DPS would be Black Mage, which doesn't really bring raid utility outside of role actions like Addle and Apoc. It is a relatively simple class to learn and play, which is fine; it's part of the reason I main it.

As for the meta 'weirdos,' that's a little unfair. I don't get involved with EX-level content and higher, but I can also acknowledge that job changes impact hardcore content a lot more and there are people who enjoy discussing that meta. Some do nothing but complain, but you can find the same types of people in casual circles as well. I'd much rather their voices be taken into consideration, since it'll matter more for the type of content they prefer to run.

This all being said, I would agree that SAM should primarily remain a selfish DPS class; if they get any utility, it should be minor so as not to invite nerfs that keep them from their current big DPS focus. I don't main SAM, so specifics would be harder for me to give.

[Shurrikhan]

RDM isn't really a "selfish DPS," though; it brings raid utility in healing/rezzing and Embolden, which isn't much outside of progression but is utility nonetheless. The selfish caster DPS would be Black Mage, which doesn't really bring raid utility outside of role actions like Addle and Apoc. It is a relatively simple class to learn and play, which is fine; it's part of the reason I main it.

As for the meta 'weirdos,' that's a little unfair. I don't get involved with EX-level content and higher, but I can also acknowledge that job changes impact hardcore content a lot more and there are people who enjoy discussing that meta. Some do nothing but complain, but you can find the same types of people in casual circles as well. I'd much rather their voices be taken into consideration, since it'll matter more for the type of content they prefer to run.

This all being said, I would agree that SAM should primarily remain a selfish DPS class; if they get any utility, it should be minor so as not to invite nerfs that keep them from their current big DPS focus. I don't main SAM, so specifics would be harder for me to give.

Certainly an aside, but...

The term "selfish DPS" has always been a bit of a misnomer owed only to fflogs ranking by, frankly, the wrong metrics. At present, we're ranked based largely on how padded our numbers can be because we only look at the raw numbers, not actual contribution or tDPS (pDPS + rDPS given - rDPS received).

Because the "selfish" DPS has no one else to rely upon for its actual contribution than itself, it literally cannot be carried in tDPS. Bad party or good, so long as boss placement and raid CD timings themselves aren't screwed up, it's left to fight for itself in optimization. Everyone else gets... everyone else to raise their rDPS numbers. They can and typically will want a better party to "make better use" of. A "selfish" DPS can only ever hope to be made use of and to live up to those theoretical expectations, which becomes increasingly more difficult.

"I want to join the best possible party so I can do the most possible contribution. Give me both my bois MCH and BRD or bug off." - DRG.
"You have a Caster when we don't need Caster LB? I'm out." - MNK.
"Need more peeps with 2-minute CD bursts. ...Can I get a SAM? Ooh, and maybe a SMN or RDM?" - MCH.
"My numbers look prettier with an AST, SCH, RDM, NIN, DRG, and MCH, but I'll technically provide identical contribution regardless so... whatever you've got?" - SAM.
"I mean, I'm gonna have an AM taxi, right? And, you know where to drop any solo Arrows, yes? If you've got a SMN, make sure they time their first Contagion correctly but other than that, good to go." - BLM.
"Likewise, I pretty well fit into everyone's everything, albeit it not always with the highest contribution possible. So... ready when you are?" - NIN.