Thread: Samurai 5.0 Wishlist

As far as utility goes...

They could make it so that using an Iaijutsu gives an AoE version of the buffs you have from Jinpu/Shifu possibly only at 50% effectiveness (I.e. 5% damage and 5% SkS)

Just a little passive utility while you're slicing through enemies. Alongside Slashing debuff where relevant.

Something I think would be cool would be a high Kenki spender CD like Guren, but that instantly grants all 3 Sen. Even better if it was another cast time skill like Iaijutsu. So that you can burst with high resources with Midare Setsugekka > this new Hissatsu > Midare Setsugekka (Though, the issue is wanting to Kaiten before every Iaijutsu which would not be possible if the new Hissatsu cost more than 60 Kenki...)

An alternative would be an additional Iaijutsu that also had a Kenki cost with it. So, say you had 3 Sen and 50+ Kenki you'd have access to this new Iaijutsu instead of Midare Setsugekka.

Outside of that, I'd personally like to see Meditate retuned to have more frontloaded impact. So it's more viable to use brief pauses in uptime to generate a bit of Kenki rather than it being kind of meh outside longer periods of downtime (That also don't require movement)

A buff to Seigan wouldn't go amiss either... Given that you have to be hit (With Third Eye) to be able to access the skill in the first place, 15 Kenki for 200 potency seems lacklustre given that 4 level prior to unlocking this skill you have Shinten which is 25 Kenki for 300 potency. That's a difference of 13.3 potency per Kenki vs 12 potency per Kenki. At the cost of being hit (Then not using Merciful Eyes for self heal if relevant) with a 15s CD because of Third Eye. Compared to the skill that's usable whenever...

Though, I suppose it's hard to balance because if it's too strong then you'll be wanting to walk into damage for max DPS... Kind of like what happened with DK's in WoW when they made AMS provide resources when it absorbed damage and made them all go running INTO AoE's to do more DPS to much frustration of healers >.>

Would probably be for the best to focus on defensive options from Open Eyes I guess...

On a side note:

Would be cool to have a charge up mobility skill. You know the one, like every depiction of Samurai has that stand off between 2 of them and then after a pause with both of them grabbing their katanas, they dash past each other and then one of them falls over. It was in the ShB trailer too, the part where it's a showdown between the WoL and Zenos.

Its place would be similar to the Yaten > Enpi combo where you back out and get bonus damage with your ranged skill before you head back in. Only instead of walking or using Gyoten, you can charge up a cool skill to reposition instead

Originally Posted by Kalise

On a side note:

Would be cool to have a charge up mobility skill. You know the one, like every depiction of Samurai has that stand off between 2 of them and then after a pause with both of them grabbing their katanas, they dash past each other and then one of them falls over. It was in the ShB trailer too, the part where it's a showdown between the WoL and Zenos.

Its place would be similar to the Yaten > Enpi combo where you back out and get bonus damage with your ranged skill before you head back in. Only instead of walking or using Gyoten, you can charge up a cool skill to reposition instead

I like this. Seeing some kind of weapon "spirit ignition" (FF Tactics: Ashura/Spirit Blade) would be cool as well, but I guess that falls under Kenki? Maybe some of the skills from Sword Saint (FF Tactics) could be added, like Duskblade, instead of having to use Invigorate? Something that may also be cool, would be using delayed slashes like the end bosses in The Ghimlyt Dark. If SAM could spray sake and ignite it with sparks from their sword (for DOT) that would be cool as well. I'll admit that I haven't played much SAM, but utility is always nice to have.

This may be an unpopular opinion, but I wish SAM remains a "selfish DPS". To me, the main appeal of SAM is its lack of utility. I just want to pump out damage without a care in the world.
So yes, I hope they don't give SAM too much utility. Keep it pure and simple.

Originally Posted by CodingSession

This may be an unpopular opinion, but I wish SAM remains a "selfish DPS". To me, the main appeal of SAM is its lack of utility. I just want to pump out damage without a care in the world.
So yes, I hope they don't give SAM too much utility. Keep it pure and simple.

this sums up my opinion perfectly, i roll a rdm but also have a sam on backup and play them because they're selfish and simple, not every job needs to be the same. And as far as meta players go i can't care less, those weirdos will never be happy with anything that happens anyway.

Originally Posted by Acelyn

this sums up my opinion perfectly, i roll a rdm but also have a sam on backup and play them because they're selfish and simple, not every job needs to be the same. And as far as meta players go i can't care less, those weirdos will never be happy with anything that happens anyway.

RDM isn't really a "selfish DPS," though; it brings raid utility in healing/rezzing and Embolden, which isn't much outside of progression but is utility nonetheless. The selfish caster DPS would be Black Mage, which doesn't really bring raid utility outside of role actions like Addle and Apoc. It is a relatively simple class to learn and play, which is fine; it's part of the reason I main it.

As for the meta 'weirdos,' that's a little unfair. I don't get involved with EX-level content and higher, but I can also acknowledge that job changes impact hardcore content a lot more and there are people who enjoy discussing that meta. Some do nothing but complain, but you can find the same types of people in casual circles as well. I'd much rather their voices be taken into consideration, since it'll matter more for the type of content they prefer to run.

This all being said, I would agree that SAM should primarily remain a selfish DPS class; if they get any utility, it should be minor so as not to invite nerfs that keep them from their current big DPS focus. I don't main SAM, so specifics would be harder for me to give.

Originally Posted by Seraph522

RDM isn't really a "selfish DPS," though; it brings raid utility in healing/rezzing and Embolden, which isn't much outside of progression but is utility nonetheless. The selfish caster DPS would be Black Mage, which doesn't really bring raid utility outside of role actions like Addle and Apoc. It is a relatively simple class to learn and play, which is fine; it's part of the reason I main it.

As for the meta 'weirdos,' that's a little unfair. I don't get involved with EX-level content and higher, but I can also acknowledge that job changes impact hardcore content a lot more and there are people who enjoy discussing that meta. Some do nothing but complain, but you can find the same types of people in casual circles as well. I'd much rather their voices be taken into consideration, since it'll matter more for the type of content they prefer to run.

This all being said, I would agree that SAM should primarily remain a selfish DPS class; if they get any utility, it should be minor so as not to invite nerfs that keep them from their current big DPS focus. I don't main SAM, so specifics would be harder for me to give.

Certainly an aside, but...

The term "selfish DPS" has always been a bit of a misnomer owed only to fflogs ranking by, frankly, the wrong metrics. At present, we're ranked based largely on how padded our numbers can be because we only look at the raw numbers, not actual contribution or tDPS (pDPS + rDPS given - rDPS received).

Because the "selfish" DPS has no one else to rely upon for its actual contribution than itself, it literally cannot be carried in tDPS. Bad party or good, so long as boss placement and raid CD timings themselves aren't screwed up, it's left to fight for itself in optimization. Everyone else gets... everyone else to raise their rDPS numbers. They can and typically will want a better party to "make better use" of. A "selfish" DPS can only ever hope to be made use of and to live up to those theoretical expectations, which becomes increasingly more difficult.

"I want to join the best possible party so I can do the most possible contribution. Give me both my bois MCH and BRD or bug off." - DRG.
"You have a Caster when we don't need Caster LB? I'm out." - MNK.
"Need more peeps with 2-minute CD bursts. ...Can I get a SAM? Ooh, and maybe a SMN or RDM?" - MCH.
"My numbers look prettier with an AST, SCH, RDM, NIN, DRG, and MCH, but I'll technically provide identical contribution regardless so... whatever you've got?" - SAM.
"I mean, I'm gonna have an AM taxi, right? And, you know where to drop any solo Arrows, yes? If you've got a SMN, make sure they time their first Contagion correctly but other than that, good to go." - BLM.
"Likewise, I pretty well fit into everyone's everything, albeit it not always with the highest contribution possible. So... ready when you are?" - NIN.

they need to tone down SAM dps to give them utility... and that will make it just another ninja which i rather not
when i play SAM i find it very pleasing to see my DPS is far higher than the other... so i rather keep the selfish dps stance