Ishgard the most messed up area?

[Edax]

Idyllshire makes sense thematically though. Where are businesses aimed at adventurers going to (want to AND be able to) set up shop? Super-conservative wary-of-outsiders Ishgard, or a free-for-all frontier town frequented by treasure-hunters and explorers?

I think they basically had to create Idyllshire so their endgame hub would make sense in the lore.

Except Idyllshire is at the extreme end of the world, far far away from any conventional mass transit apart from expensive aethernet rides. If they set up in the Sea of Clouds with an airship terminal, it would hardly mean that Ishgard would stop them, they barely control a fraction of that territory.

I'm pretty sure noble houses and political schemes didn't originate from Game of Thrones.



No they didnt come, but they really looks like and sounds like a symbol of missing imagination to setting political situation, i think there were more way to build this politics aspect than just with "house" like game of throne. To brand your univers and make it different from other, you have to avoid to take too much code which refer too some other saga or historic time. For exemple, i dont like Limsa Nomisa, but i never feel there "i m in Pirate of Carreabean"
Also there is no need to take a holy city to justifiy crusade, crusade were also used to purify the heretic in central europe, Russian from old time did crusade against teutonic for example.


Ishgard is a problem for me cause it is too much close whide from real historic stuff, and that is disturbing, maybe ppl here like Isghard cause they never focused on history or that not their first interest, so they can live this part as something new, but for me who read alot about medieval time, i say it is too much close from, and i phrase a criticisme of those design choice. Beside final fantasy always use to be to create proper univers who are really far from our world , current or past.

Be inspire is one thing, but do "look like" it is bad.
Here in the name of npcs sounds like old french name, in their deisgned armor, place or stronghold, i dont see anything original, i just see a look like. Also word has their mean, using crusade is not insight, crusade refer to one period, one moment, and one phenomen in history, take it and use it to describe a story in fantasy game, i dont find very clever, it is like for Uldah we get some word around Djihad, and you agree, today using this word would be suspicious, because of the current situation, but why use "crusade" which was also same bunch of maddness and crime, is more tolerable? Of course other fantasy game used this word but their univers was so far from what we know that it made less probleme for me. Here we have crusade, inquisitor, archevêque, come on where those guy come from? i dont want to play french medieval simulator. (joking, but you see what i mean) is it too hard to just create something different?
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I generally oppose this idea. I love it when Final Fantasy actually pulls from history as an inspiration. When writers go FULL Fantasy, the world's are often poorly written and realized and the story often struggles to say anything meaningful when there's no real life analog to pull on. This is why I don't like garlemald, it's "generic fantasy bad guy".

You take one look at this guy and the moment you ask "How does he go to the bathroom?" and the immersion is ruined. And he probably bangs his head on the ceiling everytime he walks through a door. This is what happens when you let the "fantasy" elements completely take over. The writers and designers don't have time to make the fantasy "real".

[Seraph522]

I generally oppose this idea. I love it when Final Fantasy actually pulls from history as an inspiration. When writers go FULL Fantasy, the world's are often poorly written and realized and the story often struggles to say anything meaningful when there's no real life analog to pull on. This is why I don't like garlemald, it's "generic fantasy bad guy".

You take one look at this guy and the moment you ask "How does he go to the bathroom?" and the immersion is ruined. And he probably bangs his head on the ceiling everytime he walks through a door. This is what happens when you let the "fantasy" elements completely take over. The writers and designers don't have time to make the fantasy "real".

I mean, the Garlean Empire has pretty clear historical roots as well. It's a reference to the Roman Empire, specifically: republic turned empire under one man's rise to prominence, tendency to subjugate large swaths of territory and a generally condescending attitude to their populaces, even as they recruit large numbers of them to serve their military, and so on. Heck, the more recent patch's revelations hint at the idea that there is a cultic view of the Emperor, driving near outright worship. Not to mention the other similarities to other tyrannical regimes in the past.

And yes, the armor is ornate and over the top and doesn't make a lick of sense in terms of real world armor, but the same can be said about pretty much every major group in the game. Aymeric wouldn't have any easier of a time relieving himself in that outfit he always seems to be wearing.

Note that this doesn't mean I don't appreciate the historical roots of Ishgard's portrayal; I think they did an excellent job with that. But the Garlean Empire has similar historical roots; their questionable portrayal at times lies more with how they're presented at certain points than their historicity or lack thereof.

[Edax]

I mean, the Garlean Empire has pretty clear historical roots as well. It's a reference to the Roman Empire, specifically: republic turned empire under one man's rise to prominence, tendency to subjugate large swaths of territory and a generally condescending attitude to their populaces, even as they recruit large numbers of them to serve their military, and so on. Heck, the more recent patch's revelations hint at the idea that there is a cultic view of the Emperor, driving near outright worship. Not to mention the other similarities to other tyrannical regimes in the past.

And yes, the armor is ornate and over the top and doesn't make a lick of sense in terms of real world armor, but the same can be said about pretty much every major group in the game. Aymeric wouldn't have any easier of a time relieving himself in that outfit he always seems to be wearing.

Note that this doesn't mean I don't appreciate the historical roots of Ishgard's portrayal; I think they did an excellent job with that. But the Garlean Empire has similar historical roots; their questionable portrayal at times lies more with how they're presented at certain points than their historicity or lack thereof.

The Garlean Empire has their founding origin from being outcasts. Carthage has such an origin since they were founded by the survivors of Troy, but Rome has no such origins. The Roman Empire (the first one) weren't really revanchists either. And given how we learn that the Garlemald was founded by a cultist Ascian who abandoned it to cause chaos for the "evilz", they seem more like fantasy bad guys then having any historical inspiration. I guess the United States has some origins with outcasts given the Puritans were escaping persecution and founded Boston, but their story pretty much disappears before the Revolution. How many cults have formed Empires in history? I can't think of any.

Yeah, I don't like Aymeric's armor either, it's so bulky and large and he still got taken out by a kitchen knife. Right through where the thickest part of the armor should be. I was laughing so hard when that happened.

[Seraph522]

The Garlean Empire has their founding origin from being outcasts. Carthage has such an origin since they were founded by the survivors of Troy, but Rome has no such origins. The Roman Empire (the first one) weren't really revanchists either. And given how we learn that the Garlemald was founded by a cultist Ascian who abandoned it to cause chaos for the "evilz", they seem more like fantasy bad guys then having any historical inspiration. How many cults have formed Empires in history? I can't think of any.

Didn't stop the Romans from trying to present themselves as descended from outcasts - that's the point of The Aeneid. And mostly the developers are probably cherry-picking elements of the Augustan era, which did have the Imperial cult, though that was not anything new by any means. Of course, the Ascians as a whole are Nebulous Evil Cult Organization #2,798; I care less about them as characters (aside from maybe Elidibus and Solus) and more about their lore implications.

Yeah, I don't like Aymeric's armor either, it's so bulky and large and he still got taken out by a kitchen knife. I was laughing so hard when that happened.

That kitchen knife was totally armor-piercing, there was nothing that could stop that. /s

[kikix12]

Yeah, I don't like Aymeric's armor either, it's so bulky and large and he still got taken out by a kitchen knife. Right through where the thickest part of the armor should be.

Stomach is not where the thickest part of armor should be and kitchen knife is better against armored opponents than a sword is. In real life there is no such thing as damage numbers so a kitchen knife is as much a one-hit-kill of a weapon as a sword, gun or cannon. If it hits the vitals, that is.

And stomach not only is not one of the critical vitals (you can die rather easily from being pierced in certain depth and parts of it, but not all), but it also requires more mobility than the rest of the body. A thick armor on the stomach means you cannot move. Like, literally. Heavy jousting armors were stiff on the stomach, and the knights couldn't even get up on their own once they fell off the horse (onto which they couldn't get without help either).
If you'll look at this armor, you'll notice that around the area that Aymeric was pierced the armor is actually divided into the top and bottom, with the bottom being a sort of plate skirt. If you have the opportunity to stick something between the bottom and top, you can very much hurt the person.
Of course...if your weapon can pierce the chain mail that is traditionally worn under plate armor, but we don't know whether Aymeric wears it too.

Ultimately a kitchen knife is better to deal with a heavily armored enemy than a sword...but in reality...you're not likely to kill anyone with either. Attacking around the neck where it's easiest to slide past the multiple layers of armor is your best bet...or just use blunt weapon. So if we accept suspension of belief as for why arrows can kill heavily armored enemies...a dagger is the least problem here.

[MistakeNot]

I mean, the Garlean Empire has pretty clear historical roots as well. It's a reference to the Roman Empire, specifically: republic turned empire under one man's rise to prominence, tendency to subjugate large swaths of territory and a generally condescending attitude to their populaces, even as they recruit large numbers of them to serve their military, and so on. Heck, the more recent patch's revelations hint at the idea that there is a cultic view of the Emperor, driving near outright worship. Not to mention the other similarities to other tyrannical regimes in the past.

Not to mention the most obvious references: Just about all the military ranks in the Garlean forces have names copied from the Roman army. Add in things like "Castrum Centri" which is simply Latin for "Central Fortress", and the inspiration from the Roman Empire becomes hard to miss.

[Kazhim]

Already with Gaius we have the tast

but, they look like more the empire of star wars than roman empire, i dont like how they designed this faction, always with stupidly heavy armored stuff. I mean it could be something strongly identical, yes, but this is a remake of ff12, and i always find sad to not see the face of the bad guy.

[Ramesses]

Already with Gaius we have the tast

but, they look like more the empire of star wars than roman empire, i dont like how they designed this faction, always with stupidly heavy armored stuff. I mean it could be something strongly identical, yes, but this is a remake of ff12, and i always find sad to not see the face of the bad guy.

Don't worry Kazhim, keep playing and continue with the FFXIV story... and yes, I liked FFXII as well.