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    ...Lore exists for the sole purpose of storytelling.
    Lore = the basis of the story, the foundation of a race, populace, world.
    Plot = Something for which was for the lore to exist in the same place; the two are intertwined.
    Story = A combination of both, a story that is driven by both plot and lore that expands upon the two.

    This is why people say that when someone uses lore as an excuse to make a half arsed attempt, it means the story is also bad unless they do something in the story that retcons/changes the lore. Writers usually do this when they've written themselves into a hole.

    Here's an example of lore; the men are rare but not as rare as male miqote, they live in the great wood. They shoot people on sight and don't bother to ask questions; they are fierce warriors. The green word makes it so that a Viera can leave and seek help from outsiders if it means to protect the wood. The only people who have seen a male Viera are the females and other male Viera - the rest are dead as they are cut down in cold blood. Recently it is now more common for Viera to leave the wood and not be branded an exile because of it.

    Here is an example of plot; We are going into the great wood.

    Here is an example of story; we are going into the great wood where male Viera shoot people on sight during a time of war where they are going to be especially more trigger happy.

    Let's have an example of a good storytelling; We go into the Greatwood knowing that these males exist due to our knowledge of the lore of the Viera. As one might expect as we go deep into the thicket, we are assailed by an unknown enemy with arrows which causes our comrades to scatter or be down for the count. We, protect them and stand our ground only to be found face to face with the one who initiated the attack.

    A male Viera, one who looks at us with disdain but also a glimmer of curiosity; we do not look like we are from the Empire, we smell different and look different. Further, still, he notes that the wood speaks to him about us. He indicates that the wood is interested in them, that it speaks to them about the WoD and how it desires them to help against those who would destroy it. While he is firmly against this; he does what the wood wishes. He then brings them to the village for which males and females of all clans have come together in order to cordinate a defense.
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    If we're a male or female Viera his dialogue changes to curiosity on why a brother or sister is with these outsiders. They both talk on how the wood wants them to help. The unknown Viera talks about how he thought those who leave the forest couldn't hear it anymore. WoD speaks about the power of the echo, how it allows them to understand and listen.

    Here's an example of bad storytelling;
    We go into the great wood where we know that we will be attacked yet find ourselves unassailed by the wood-wardens and are able to walk straight into the Eruyt village. Later we are told through flavour text that the males are fighting in the shadows and we will not see them.*
    or
    We are told they have all been slain.
    or
    They have been all been captured but we are not going to be sent to release them.
    or
    They have been taken under control by a primal but we won't fight them because that requires seeing them.


    This is where the argument that having no male Viera is linked to bad storytelling. If they don't have NPC male Viera then the great wood is going to be missing one of if its biggest threats to outsiders - the male Viera. No quests, no fates, nothing related to them - because they do not want to show the male.
    And if they add the NPC males then Yoshida obviously found a look that he likes regarding them, which one could argue there is now NO reason for them to be gender locked. The lore about their rarity does not stand. There is only one character that matters in this MMO, us. There is only one warrior of light, everyone else playing as a Viera etc doesn't 'exist' in regards to the story and the lore set down.

    But I know the truth why Yoshi won't add in male Viera...
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWo-xJIg1Z0
    XD If you didn't get the joke; it was referring to adding in flavour text where females will ask for breeding requests from the males as they are the strongest.
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    Last edited by Gwenorai; 02-10-2019 at 10:20 PM.