Gender locked race?

[redcurrant18]

notice no bunny tails on them in the video

Viera have never had tails in any games they've appeared in.

[Hunky]

I can't help but see much of the controversy as willful ignorance on a grand scale... While i'll not repute established facts in game, (indeed, i see it as validation) i do not see how, with what SE has already given us, we can continue to pretend that the impossibility of male Viera leaving/ relocating from the wood en-mass is such a mental leap...

Collection of Wandering Dramaturge Viera lore


Rak'tika Greatwoods on fire.


Rak'tika Greatwoods aftermath


From what has been established thus far: The male Viera are the guardians of the Greatwoods, any attack on them on such a scale would and should prompt a response. Hence their mobilization from their home, to face the threat of the Garlean Empire.

It can both work both ways. It can either make sense of why male Viera would leave the forest and therefore make sense as a playable race. At the same time, it could also explain why male Viera have been wiped out, and therefore not available as a playable race. And if the grand majority of Male Viera are wiped out, it would make even more sense for the females to leave the forest and seek allies to combat whatever is threatening them.

I want to also point out that set of lore quotes is missing the two most important ones.



It's blatantly clear that Matsuno, who the wandering dramaturge is supposed to represent, is warning us to not get our hopes up for male Viera.

"They simply don't exist to us" is pretty much saying they don't exist at all.

Matsuno created the Viera, but he only ever showed females. He doesn't want to show males. For what reason, who knows. And there are many other signs besides the lore that rule out the possibility of playable male Viera: Yoshida's interviews, the way Viera were revealed, the accurate blue leaks, and more.

Again, I desperately hope I'm wrong. I would love to have handsome, tall bunnymen in the game. It would be great that they ended up creating this lore with the intention of breaking it.

But we're probably gonna get a male-only race that nobody really asked for. I just hope if that's the case, we get a male-only race that can be as attractive, elegant, and athletic as the female Viera. Something in between Highlander and Elezen.

I'm not sure who else might agree with me, but when I saw the concept art of those male Viera (the tall, muscular ones), I was ecstatic. That's exactly the kind of build I wanna see. Male Au Ra have amazing bodies (in my opinion), but their facial scales and horns make their faces so "busy-looking." Those male Viera on the other hand were perfect. I know I've posted several messages of hopelessness on here, but trust me, I wanna see those male Viera so bad.

But I'm warning you guys. Don't get your hopes up. Don't ignore the signs.

[Anister]

I'm not truly a fan of the gender locked race either, I mean extreme gender ratio is already a thing. I don't think it should be necessary to follow the Tera formula when making races. I like what they look like can't wait to see what they're all about in the story.

[Rokke]

But we're probably gonna get a male-only race that nobody really asked for.

tbh this is the main reason I think we're getting Viera men. As a gamer himself, I cannot believe that Yoshi would not forsee the potential shitstorm of pairing an incredibly popular request with something absolutely no one asked for without any hype buildup for said thing no one asked for.

[Serenno]

"They simply don't exist to us" is pretty much saying they don't exist

In my opinion, not quite. "They simply don't exist to us" means just that when paired with all the prior information regarding their lifestyle. They're elusive and hide out in the woods which is why they're never seen in settlements or cities. I just think he's saying that they might as well not exist since nobody's ever seen one (and lived) and they just happen to be very elusive as a result of the lifestyle that's forced upon them. But not that they don't exist, because there's still the possibility that they can still be seen if they want to be seen. This is more likely given the lore about how more and more Viera are leaving the wood in favor of adventure/the outside world.

However, that's the only point that I disagree with. I agree with you that if we're not going to get male Viera, then at least give us something equally as nice as how they made the female Viera.

I'm not sure who else might agree with me, but when I saw the concept art of those male Viera (the tall, muscular ones), I was ecstatic. That's exactly the kind of build I wanna see. Male Au Ra have amazing bodies (in my opinion), but their facial scales and horns make their faces so "busy-looking." Those male Viera on the other hand were perfect. I know I've posted several messages of hopelessness on here, but trust me, I wanna see those male Viera so bad.

I also agree with this! I think that the concept art is pretty spot on, maybe some changes here and there but that's more or less how I envisioned a male Viera that looked similar enough to the females. Maybe longer hair and facial hair to go with the lore, but that's what I'm more or less hoping for if they're to be implemented.

[KaijinRhada]

tbh this is the main reason I think we're getting Viera men. As a gamer himself, I cannot believe that Yoshi would not forsee the potential shitstorm of pairing an incredibly popular request with something absolutely no one asked for without any hype buildup for said thing no one asked for.

Yeah, this is one of the big things about gender-locking choices. Evidence of storms being kicked up over gender-locks are aplenty. The following quote from a different thread about male Viera (for those that haven't seen it) sums it up nicely:

I'm also on team, "I can't help but suspect Yoshi-P is just trolling."

He has to know how poorly player character limitations go over in this fandom. He also knows how long ago he first teased Viera as a possibility and how many people wanted to be males. That door was never closed, despite his skepticism. He made a bigger deal about trying to get the feet right. And then why wouldn't they have closed the door gently and tightly today? I can't shake this itch that he's watching all these salty tears with schadenfreude knowing he's going to get a massive crowd pop when he shows up in Tokyo like, "Nah, I'm messing with you, roll the tape!" lol.

Bolded for emphasis. But it would be astonishing for anyone to be surprised that people don't like less choices, in this game especially where character appearances and customization holds such esteem

[Nestama]

Remember that WoL literally got smacked with the amnesia stick. They don't remember anything due to time travel shenanigans and no one remembers them. This includes all of their skills/memories/etc

That only applies to Legacy players, who get a different cutscene when starting ARR.

[BiffWellington]

I wasn't around for this, but I have read about those bunny-girl outfits from the Gold Saucer initially being female-exclusive, and how there was such an unexpected outcry from the community over it that they soon decided to let males wear them, too.

Now that they're adding an actual bunny-girl race to the game, I don't think they'll go about it the same way. I think they learned from that experience, and will be making males an option right from the start.

[InkstainedGwyn]

I wasn't around for this, but I have read about those bunny-girl outfits from the Gold Saucer initially being female-exclusive, and how there was such an unexpected outcry from the community over it that they soon decided to let males wear them, too.

Now that they're adding an actual bunny-girl race to the game, I don't think they'll go about it the same way. I think they learned from that experience, and will be making males an option right from the start.

To be fair, they also said that the male developers were "too uncomfortable" to design the outfits, and that they were handing them to the female designers.

[redcurrant18]

To be fair, they also said that the male developers were "too uncomfortable" to design the outfits, and that they were handing them to the female designers.

Were they comfortable designing the awful looking Paissa and Carbuncle Houses?