Gender locked race?

[Gwenorai]

That is the thing though SE has full creative freedom with the males they don't have to be a one for one like the females they can make them however they want. The biggest hurdle to overcome is the developers if they really don't want to make them they won't happen and i highly doubt Yoshi will force his team to do them this is the variable we have no clue on and the biggest variable to a yay or nay on male viera

To me, the issue is that people have only seen female Viera. So when they say they want a male Viera. Well, we haven't seen the male. Do the fans want someone who is similar to the female? What do they mean by male Viera? If they went off the lore we're going to get bara bunny men who would rather kill you than talk to you - even stated in the Lore that they do do this. Or, they interrogate you THEN kill you. They don't let the people go, they flat out murder them while the females don't do this.

If they want Male Viera then they're going to be off the lore - lore which you can't use the bloody excuse of a low population because we're going to the very place where that low population is, making it a high population in regards to things. They're not going to be cute. As for Yoshi not wanting to make them. Oh, I don't think that at all. I think he doesn't want to make a cute Viera. If he flat down didn't want to make a Male Viera, he wouldn't a) have lore on the males and have the females be asexual b) have his artists actually draw concepts for the male. c) state that if he had the female they'd have the male.

But things change, and we will see if we get another cat race. And then people will complain, but people will complain anyway when they find out the male Viera doesn't look cute adorable and like a small elf. But cold-blooded murderers, who only exist to breed and kill.

Reminder that we have a race who are capable of such feats as:

• Living in a barren desert and subsiding off their own bodily fluids
• Hunting animals and carving weaponry from their bones
• Taming any kind of ferocious, wild beast in less than a week
• Viciously slaughtering one another for fun

and so forth.
this is what the girls look like.

Yes, but are the Xaela on the same level? Especially when most of the clans of Xaela are sexist regarding their women? Do female Xaela do what male Viera do by lore in regards to the strictness of their lifestyle? The only female that is close is the Khatun of the 'Immortal' clan, who was supposedly a man before she was reborn. Honestly wish they used the original concept art of the females instead of just making them 'stay at home wifus'. Heck, I even remember that it's usually the men who do this and the women just... stay at home.And if that's not true then I have much respect for those dainty women. Edit; this isn't true and it depends on the tribe! Thank you for pointing out the error in that logic.

Note; 'stay at home wifus' is more in regards to their looks.

No it doesn't!

I definitely would imagine male viera who had to live such a life to be rugged "men" with also some absolutely crippling social skills lol.

I doubt SE would do it but it would be interesting to see a critique of the idea of sending off people to live in isolation like that- not a hamfisted one either. Like besides seeing the system does work in some ways (good side) we also find a softer (doesn't have to be literally lol) male viera who's barely making it by, very depressed about it all, and just wants to live in a community. Perhaps even give us a choice in this quest line to force him into isolation "for the good of the tribe" or to help them escape into some ARR/Stormblood area to find the life they've always wanted. Could even be a beast tribe gameplay we help prop up of some runaway males and females (when I say beast tribe I mean the system, not that they're beasts per say).

I can certainly see this. Especially that more and more are discontent with the way of life. All it takes it one female to leave the wood with her kits before a male comes to take them. It takes them 13 years to reach adulthood so the mother has 13 years to escape with her little boy. I can't imagine all mother's would want that for her son and perhaps is part of why they are leaving the wood. What mother would want such a life for her baby boy when she can't even take the life of being in secluded and isolated community? Her son is going to have it x 10 worse.

[Rokke]

Yes, but are the Xaela on the same level? Especially when most of the clans of Xaela are sexist regarding their women? Do female Xaela do what male Viera do by lore in regards to the strictness of their lifestyle? The only female that is close is the Khatun of the 'Immortal' clan, who was supposedly a man before she was reborn. Honestly wish they used the original concept art of the females instead of just making them 'stay at home wifus'

Where are you getting the sexism/stay at home waifus? We meet a handful of tribes in MSQ/sidequests/fates. With the exception of the all male tribe (there are no females) all tribes we meet have male/females that are expected to hunt, gather, shepherd animals, trade wares etc.

[Gwenorai]

Where are you getting the sexism/stay at home waifus? We meet a handful of tribes in MSQ/sidequests/fates. With the exception of the all male tribe (there are no females) all tribes we meet have male/females that are expected to hunt, gather, shepherd animals, trade wares etc.

You know, thinking about it, you're probably right and I'm just projecting from Magnai. For that, I apologise. I'll make sure to research instead of going off memory! Anyway, the point stands - their lifestyles are different. Close, but extremely different. And of course, the women of the Au'ra look cute, so do female Viera. The males do not look cute - most of the time - you can, however, make them cute, but they're still tall with masculine like faces. The average Au'ra male looks pretty scary and imposing, in regards to the Xaela.

e_e I still don't like how they made them tiny and meek looking regarding the females, but I guess that's what happens when you have two tribes and one tribe is meeker than the other tribes in regards to Xaela and Raen/Rean*

*Which one is it! Lmao

[Crushnight]

To me, the issue is that people have only seen female Viera. So when they say they want a male Viera. Well, we haven't seen the male. Do the fans want someone who is similar to the female? What do they mean by male Viera? If they went off the lore we're going to get bara bunny men who would rather kill you than talk to you - even stated in the Lore that they do do this. Or, they interrogate you THEN kill you. They don't let the people go, they flat out murder them while the females don't do this.


I can certainly see this. Especially that more and more are discontent with the way of life. All it takes it one female to leave the wood with her kits before a male comes to take them. It takes them 13 years to reach adulthood so the mother has 13 years to escape with her little boy. I can't imagine all mother's would want that for her son and perhaps is part of why they are leaving the wood. What mother would want such a life for her baby boy when she can't even take the life of being in secluded and isolated community? Her son is going to have it x 10 worse.

no doubt there will be complaints regardless how things go it's impossible to please everyone.

There is a tribe of Xaela that is all female so they have to do everything that both males and females do, there is another xaela tribe where the males stay at home look after children etc and the females do the hunting bartering etc(one shopkeeper in reunion is part of this tribe)

[Gwenorai]

no doubt there will be complaints regardless how things go it's impossible to please everyone.

There is a tribe of Xaela that is all female so they have to do everything that both males and females do, there is another xaela tribe where the males stay at home look after children etc and the females do the hunting bartering etc(one shopkeeper in reunion is part of this tribe)

Aye, you're right there! I went up and checked. So while those females aren't 'stay at home wifus' - they still look like them. Small and cute. Why? Actually I don't understand how Yoshi P came up with that and thought it was okay given how their lives are so harsh. Harsher than male Viera? Eh, not sure on that one. Male Viera live alone not in tribes. Then again, the Xaela's other 'clan' the supposed light side version, that one made more sense. I just wish they looked different to represent that in regards to height and muscle.

Of course, this all ties down to the whole cute hot small females are fine and can do these things in a fantasy setting. Or just strict cute? As in regards to Lalas.

But for some reason every other race when it comes to the males, welp... yeah

[Rokke]

You know, thinking about it, you're probably right and I'm just projecting from Magnai. For that, I apologise. I'll make sure to research instead of going off memory! Anyway, the point stands - their lifestyles are different. Close, but extremely different. And of course, the women of the Au'ra look cute, so do female Viera. The males do not look cute - most of the time - you can, however, make them cute, but they're still tall with masculine like faces.

imo Magnai is more a goober than sexist. He wants a moeblob gf lol
Of the tribes we meet:

Qestir: high ranking member that makes the decision if you can trade or not in the settlement is a female. Neither male nor females really seem to fight as warriors, though both hunt
Mol: leader is a female and they have female warriors
Oronir: their most celebrated wrestlers are female and they have female warriors
Dotharl: genders are irrelevant and you are expected to fight regardless of male/female
Dataq: males and females are expected to be warriors
Dazkar: females are warriors/merchants, males are homemakers
Uyagir: the leader is a female, entire tribe is more keen to hiding than fighting
Adarkim: we don’t meet any females of this tribe so ? ? ?
Goro: horses are more important than gender
Himaa: we only meet young children of this tribe so ? ? ?

Why? Actually I don't understand how Yoshi P came up with that and thought it was okay given how their lives are so harsh.

While I really, really, really would prefer fem Xaela to have been a highlander equivalent, both females were made kawaiiuguu 100% to sell fantas. LB censuses show that that was a pretty profitable decision and Cirina is very popular with the JP fandom so waifus are likely going to stay the norm should we ever get another race or a new FF MMO.



As for bunny men- some people want smol dudes, some want bishi dudes, some want bara dudes. Someone's going to inevitably be disappointed but eh thats the case for everything. If tiny lizard girls can wrestle hulking lizard men and lalas have historically been hardy little buggers, I think I can suspend disbelief regardless of what they go with.

[Gwenorai]

No doubt some folks will be disappointed; hopefully, the whole Viera male crew won't be fully disappointed. Can someone tell me how the Japan forums are regarding this? Not that I expect them to listen more to the Japan community - but I do like to know if there's a rather universal outcry.

[Alacran]

I can't help but see much of the controversy as willful ignorance on a grand scale... While i'll not repute established facts in game, (indeed, i see it as validation) i do not see how, with what SE has already given us, we can continue to pretend that the impossibility of male Viera leaving/ relocating from the wood en-mass is such a mental leap...

Collection of Wandering Dramaturge Viera lore


Rak'tika Greatwoods on fire.


Rak'tika Greatwoods aftermath


From what has been established thus far: The male Viera are the guardians of the Greatwoods, any attack on them on such a scale would and should prompt a response. Hence their mobilization from their home, to face the threat of the Garlean Empire.

[Bright-Flower]

No doubt some folks will be disappointed; hopefully, the whole Viera male crew won't be fully disappointed. Can someone tell me how the Japan forums are regarding this? Not that I expect them to listen more to the Japan community - but I do like to know if there's a rather universal outcry.

At this stage it's probably too late anyway at least for 5.0, their race plans for 5.0 have likely been set in stone before fanfest. If they were say working on a male only race or male viera, I don't think they would suddenly drop everything and pivot to the other based on fan reaction.

[Rokke]

Can someone tell me how the Japan forums are regarding this? Not that I expect them to listen more to the Japan community - but I do like to know if there's a rather universal outcry.

I'm not too great at navigating the JP forums since they tend to have these really long discussion threads where they talk about different topics in them. Theres this topic about potential male Viera's physique I can find. The most upvoted comment is someone saying that they'll be disappointed if its female locked.

On twitter I've seen JP players express their nervousness over them showing no males shown last ff and excitement for a reveal. Lots of fanart of what they want them to look like being drawn.