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  1. #201
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    Reinha's Avatar
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    Reinha Sorrowmoon
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dralonis View Post
    this makes me wonder though, What could be the next dps class anyways? Are melee dps really only going to be wanting Puppetmaster and Beastmaster? I honestly find both of those boring. I've never been fond of pet classes, especially as a melee dps.
    Hopefully Beastmaster haha. I would even be ok with Beastmaster being Limited if it had a full job branching from it (Morpher, uses captured beast souls to transform herself into one). That way players could avoid the dreaded pet management.
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  2. #202
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    Xiaomu Xiang
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    Midgardsormr
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    Ninja Lv 99
    I would like to have another ranged DoW class that is more AoE-based. Maybe we can actually get a true ranger class that is more focused on arrows than being a hard with a bow and hopefully get Fire Arrow back (Yeah, I'm not letting this go).
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  3. #203
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    I'shtola Maqa
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    Leviathan
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    Dancer Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Dralonis View Post
    this makes me wonder though, What could be the next dps class anyways? Are melee dps really only going to be wanting Puppetmaster and beastmaster? I honestly find both of those boring. I've never been fond of pet classes, especially as a melee dps.

    What else are people wanting as a DPS that isn't one of those 2? Since my hope for Mystic knight/spellblade as a dps is nothing but a pipe dream since it was a dps in TTa2 as spellblade but was a semi tank in FF5 (they were a better damage dealer with spells but mediocre in tanks besids some fights) which they take a lot of their class design from , and a tank in XI and IX (they were more agility/int tho which would be weird in this game but interesting a new. depends on if gunbreaker is agility tank).

    Then I feel they will make a hammer class viking for a tank. I was personally on the boat of holding off on gunblade to make it melee dps so I could have a hammer tank, but once the leaks happened, the dreams were crushed.
    For one i think dps we have enough until 6 or 7.0 however ideas like Beastmaster would be cool or Valkyrie similar to that of Tera. At the same time i would not want jobs similar to what we already have.
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  4. #204
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    Lilila Lila
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maero View Post
    For one i think dps we have enough until 6 or 7.0 however ideas like Beastmaster would be cool or Valkyrie similar to that of Tera. At the same time i would not want jobs similar to what we already have.
    I disagree completely because not all dps fit in the same schema. We have enough melee dps because besides tanks they're the only role with 4 members, but beyond that we'll have to agree to disagree.
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  5. #205
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    Which is fine you have the right for your opinion. Tank and healers need variety too.
    But at the very least Shadowbringers should be a Tank and Healer expansion not more dps.
    And this is coming from someone in which i have always been a dps need a healer fix which will hopefully be Dancer
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  6. #206
    Player Dualgunner's Avatar
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    Lilila Lila
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    Whether or not tanks and healers need variety is beside the point when you say dps should get no new jobs until 6 or 7.0. Thats 4 to 6 years of nothing for rangers or casters as well as melee dps.

    Ranger dps are far less represented than tanks or healers. Only two jobs are in that role, if we're going to talk about needing variety.

    Also on variety we have tanks getting gunbreaker, a job whose silhouette looks incredibly similar to DRK and who's actions look like PLD. It's going to struggle to find an identity of its own as it is. We could have gotten BLU as our first dom tank or a hammer tank; instead we had to get -another sword-.

    "I wanna tank. What weapons do tanks xiv use?"
    "Well you have sword and board...greatsword...gunsword...and axe."

    Great variety there.
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  7. #207
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    Derio Uzumaki
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    6.0 will probably introduce a ranged physical dps and another caster.
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  8. #208
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    Jandor's Avatar
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    Tal Young
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    Cerberus
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    Blue Mage and Pokemon Trainer for 6.0 please.

    With monster learning and monster capturing mechanics intact for interesting leveling experience please.
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  9. #209
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    Seraphitia Faro
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dualgunner View Post
    I disagree completely because not all dps fit in the same schema. We have enough melee dps because besides tanks they're the only role with 4 members, but beyond that we'll have to agree to disagree.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dualgunner View Post
    Ranger dps are far less represented than tanks or healers. Only two jobs are in that role, if we're going to talk about needing variety.
    Yay for double standards. Twisting reality to fit your argument is a wonderful skill to have...This is of course sarcasm.

    We have:
    3 (soon 4) tanks:
    0 Ranged (Duh)
    0 Casters
    3 (soon 4) melee

    3 (soon 4 probably) healers:
    0 Ranged
    3 Casters
    0 Melee
    Soon 1 that may be one of these.

    9 DPS:
    2 Ranged
    3 Casters
    4 Melee

    For obvious reasons tanks won't be ranged, so they should have more melee and caster representatives than the other roles.

    As you can see, if you are talking about role DPS trump tanks and healers. If you're talking about in-role variety...DPS still trump tanks and healers. Saying that you don't agree with there being no DPS for some time because they are still somehow underrepresented is an obvious double standard.

    Now, having NO DPS for 7.0 is a bit of a stretch for a different reason. But I think that it should absolutely not be a 2-DPS expansion. Ideally 1 of each again.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dualgunner View Post
    We could have gotten BLU as our first dom tank or a hammer tank; instead we had to get -another sword-.
    Well, that's what I can agree with. Blue mage was a wonderful candidate for a tank among the caster classes that were available until recently. But they decided not to try and force it into the role system per se. Whether for good or bad...time will tell. Up till 50 there's as much horrid design as there is of fun stuff mixed in.
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  10. #210
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    Burningskull's Avatar
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    Markov Dracul
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    Gilgamesh
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    Dancer Lv 100
    If we are getting ranged DPS in 6.0... Assuming Dancer is going to be a healer. I would like a ranged job that uses chakrams. In Kingdoms of Amalur Chakrams were my absolute favorite weapon. I would love to see a job use them in FFXIV.
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