Please no more Eureka!

[loreleidiangelo]

Btw: I seriously dont know why people do content they dont enjoy.

Can't speak for this relic, but in previous expansions they eventually became your BiS. So for people who liked to aim for that, or serious raiders, it was pretty much required, even if it required slogging through grinds and content that frankly were way below your skill level.

Reminds me of Azerite power in WoW right now, tbh. Best way to get them is through world quests (basically dailies) and these really boring faceroll instances called island expeditions. Even if you're a Mythic raider pushing prog on Jaina you still have to mass-AOE your way through braindead stuff to unlock your class's full potential. It's always been a frustrating conundrum for me, and part of the reason I'm glad I don't raid seriously in either game anymore.

[Gralna]

Myself and many others I play with enjoy Eureka, it's our favorite content in the game. I'm personally very happy they will be adding another version of it in ShB.

I just don't get all of this vehement aggression towards it. I don't like Savage Raiding or PvP, yet I don't bemoan SE or Players that enjoy it, I'm happy people are able to have something in this game they enjoy and am happy for them when they succeed at it. The rewards from both are good, but I don't feel that I'm owed any of it, the people that put in the effort for it did hard work and deserve it just as myself and others who enjoy eureka got joy out of getting our rewards from it.

Please stop asking for content to be removed that you personally don't like, we all have aspects of this game we enjoy and none of us want that feeling taken away.

[Beckett]

Please stop asking for content to be removed that you personally don't like, we all have aspects of this game we enjoy and none of us want that feeling taken away.

The difference is in the amount of effort that gets put into the content. Savage raiding, from a model and area standpoint, doesn't take nearly as many resources as Eureka. And while I'm sure it takes a lot of time to design the fight mechanics, the majority of that effort gets used in the Normal version of the fights, which virtually all players can experience and enjoy.

When our sub money is being used to fund incredibly large amounts of time and effort towards content we don't like, we have the right to complain about it. The creation of Savage raids doesn't remove a noticeable amount of resources from other parts of the game. Eureka absolutely does.

[Nora_of_Mira]

The difference is in the amount of effort that gets put into the content. Savage raiding, from a model and area standpoint, doesn't take nearly as many resources as Eureka. And while I'm sure it takes a lot of time to design the fight mechanics, the majority of that effort gets used in the Normal version of the fights, which virtually all players can experience and enjoy.

When our sub money is being used to fund incredibly large amounts of time and effort towards content we don't like, we have the right to complain about it. The creation of Savage raids doesn't remove a noticeable amount of resources from other parts of the game. Eureka absolutely does.

no one actually knows how much work goes into Savage/Ultimate content because you can't just equate it to: Assets = development time. Who knows how many devs are constantly creating, balancing, reworking, scrapping, testing, bugging all of those fights over and over because the endgame raiders would never stand for a buggy fight. Eureka sure has a ton more assets, but all of the fight mechanics are simple AF and probably require minimal testing as they can all be cleared by the most casual of players.

[Alucard135]

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The fact that you have only two ultimate fights and not three compared to Eureka having four (five if we include the Baldesion Arsenal) maps shows that making an ultimate fights is more resource intensive than Eureka. Even Yoshi P himself stated that making an ultimate fight is difficult and takes a lot of time even though it's aimed at the small number of really hardcore players that enjoy really difficult challenges. If doesn't take that much effort to make, they could have easily provided one with each raid tier. So should we complain that they're investing this much in to ultimate fights that is only aimed at a small number of people? And if you take a deeper look into Eureka designs. The only thing that is taking resources is just the map design and mob placement. Almost 90% of the mobs' meshes we already have in-game with their simple attack mechanics and the cutscenes don't even have motion capture. And I highly doubt that the logos system is taking a large portion of their resources.

You might use the "PVP has less maps also" but 1- Yoshi P didn't make any statements about it being difficult or time consuming to make PVP maps and 2- those are aimed at small number of players that enjoy PVP (doesn't necessarily have to be hardcore PVPers). So they don't bother with it that much.

[AnimaAnimus]

I just don't get all of this vehement aggression towards it.

It's because they locked the relic behind it. Take the relic out of it and put something specific to Eureka in there, and there wouldn't have been the amount of venom that there is. As long as they kept the ilvl equal to or under relic anyway. BiS gear locked exclusively behind content like Eureka would never go over well.

[SpiritMuse]

It's because they locked the relic behind it. Take the relic out of it and put something specific to Eureka in there, and there wouldn't have been the amount of venom that there is. As long as they kept the ilvl equal to or under relic anyway. BiS gear locked exclusively behind content like Eureka would never go over well.

This. Locking something like that (And other stuff like emotes and hairstyles) behind it for me just feels like they're trying to force and manipulate players into having to go there whether they want to or not. Want this Expansion's Relic? Well, tough luck, you're going to have to spend hours upon hours locked in this content that is totally different to everything else in the game, whether you like it or not.

[BubblyBoar]

I just don't get all of this vehement aggression towards it.

It is because content was taken away from the average player and shoved into Eureka as a carrot to get people to do. Not because Eureka was fun for them and they liked Eureka, but because Eureka couldn't stand on its own and they had to put something people really wanted inside of it to force people to play Eureka. Then, when all is said and done and even though a lot of people disliked it they can say that it was a success because people begrudgingly played it. Meanwhile, for people that liked the relic weapon and doing it but also dislike the playstyle of Eureka, they just lost content altogether.

[Reynhart]

Meanwhile, for people that liked the relic weapon and doing it but also dislike the playstyle of Eureka, they just lost content altogether.

You didn't lose content, you lost a reward. Past relics were basically Tome Farming, and tome farming is still in the game, and already provides the overall best casual weapon. However, people that are bored of tome farming after several years of it actually gained a "new" content.

Also, saying that Eureka only survived because people wanted the rewards there is a nonsense. Every content only survives because people want something there. The only exception is the extremely small part of the playerbase that actually runs Savage and Ultimate for the competitive aspect even after they have all the items they need.

The main problem I have with it is that they are so good at creating instanced battles and dungeons with scripted content

Frankly, I felt the dungeons were really bland, especially considering they could have done something much more interesting lorewise with The Burn and Ghimlyt Dark. As for instance battes, we have more of them in SB than what we had in HW, so it's not like they sacrificed it for Eureka.

[Nashred]

You didn't lose content, you lost a reward. Past relics were basically Tome Farming, and tome farming is still in the game, and already provides the overall best casual weapon. However, people that are bored of tome farming after several years of it actually gained a "new" content.

Also, saying that Eureka only survived because people wanted the rewards there is a nonsense. Every content only survives because people want something there. The only exception is the extremely small part of the playerbase that actually runs Savage and Ultimate for the competitive aspect even after they have all the items they need.

Frankly, I felt the dungeons were really bland, especially considering they could have done something much more interesting lorewise with The Burn and Ghimlyt Dark. As for instance battes, we have more of them in SB than what we had in HW, so it's not like they sacrificed it for Eureka.

Agreed.

I am so sick of cookie cutter dungeons.

trash/boss/trash/bass/trash/boss.

I wont say get rid of dungeons because I do not like it.

I played allot of Heavensward and did mainly savage Alexander and did the dungeons once to finish them.

Myself and many others I play with enjoy Eureka, it's our favorite content in the game. I'm personally very happy they will be adding another version of it in ShB.

I just don't get all of this vehement aggression towards it. I don't like Savage Raiding or PvP, yet I don't bemoan SE or Players that enjoy it, I'm happy people are able to have something in this game they enjoy and am happy for them when they succeed at it. The rewards from both are good, but I don't feel that I'm owed any of it, the people that put in the effort for it did hard work and deserve it just as myself and others who enjoy eureka got joy out of getting our rewards from it.

Please stop asking for content to be removed that you personally don't like, we all have aspects of this game we enjoy and none of us want that feeling taken away.

I agree I like it but have not had the time for it lately.
What I do not get is why if someone does not like it they can not let others like it.
Seriously for those that have the time and want the grind why cant they have something to do.
This game offers a ton of casual content.
If someone does not like it, do not do it then! Who says you have to do all the content.
Why cant the game have stuff for all players.