YoRHa/NieR alliance raid 5.0

[Elkanah]

All I'm hoping for is some Nier Automata music in my Final Fantasy XIV. This may not happen, but man I'd love to have City Ruins (Shade), Amusement Park, A Beautiful Song, and Memories of Dust. I JUST WANT SOME MUSIC IN MY CATALOG. Also, Weight of the World (one of the versions), but being that some of this may be licensed by the artists outside of Keiichi Okabe, I can only hope! <3

[Rowde]

1)The first picture's robots don't fit within the current aesthetic, as no so far, no Garlean or Allagan machine has had that kind of construction.
2)The second picture is a flesh and blood creature (which may have been from another FF)... you're really stretching with trying to use a Paissa as an argument for robots.
3)The third picture is a replica of something found within Omega's pocket dimensions... and Omega and his designs are a far cry away from the Automata robot designs.
4)The Magitek ride armour would not fit within Automata's robots... the design aesthetic is completely different than the monstrosities that the robots create.
5)Yes, the giant robot made out of girders and scaffolding would not fit within the current aesthetic of robots that the garleans employ, which are normally sleek and rounded.
6)This one is Alexander, and shares a completely different aesthetic from every other Automata robot that you listed.

I'm going to ask you something. Do you know what shared aesthetics are, and why the robots you have in automata do not have a shared aesthetic with the Garlean or Allagan or Alexander's creator? Because i'm thinking you're stopping at "this is a robot, and that is a robot.. they're the same thing!"

Why are we jumping to conclusions that the Nier raid will have anything to do with Garlean empire at all? There's no direct correlation until they start throwing Nier style enemies into Castrums in MSQ.


I posted this in another thread already... My running theory for 5.0 story is that a major part of the game is going to take place on whatever world the Warriors of Darkness were from. The possibility of traveling between stars/worlds/dimensions has already been established since the Warriors of Darkness came to our world in the MSQ already. I think the Y'shtola(Matoya), Urianger, and Thancred we've seen so far are bizarro versions from that world, since apparently healers are dps, dps are tanks, and ppl generally wear the completely opposite color of what they wear on our world over there... I think the raid will exist in that world instead which is why the 2B featured in the promotional art has the opposite palette from the flagship 2B from Nier: Automata.

We don't know anything about their world except that it was overrun by the Light instead of the Dark. Maybe there is no empire over there. Maybe there were no Allagans and the Ancient civilization was the Earth from the Nier: Automata series. We don't know yet. So it can't really be said that the aesthetics don't mesh when we have no idea what their actual context will be within the storyline yet.

I will concede that there are definitely ways to do it wrong, but there are also ways for them to do it right. We won't know until it's released.

Please look forward to eeeettt!

[Daralii]

1)The first picture's robots don't fit within the current aesthetic, as no so far, no Garlean or Allagan machine has had that kind of construction.
2)The second picture is a flesh and blood creature (which may have been from another FF)... you're really stretching with trying to use a Paissa as an argument for robots.
3)The third picture is a replica of something found within Omega's pocket dimensions... and Omega and his designs are a far cry away from the Automata robot designs.
4)The Magitek ride armour would not fit within Automata's robots... the design aesthetic is completely different than the monstrosities that the robots create.
5)Yes, the giant robot made out of girders and scaffolding would not fit within the current aesthetic of robots that the garleans employ, which are normally sleek and rounded.
6)This one is Alexander, and shares a completely different aesthetic from every other Automata robot that you listed.

I'm going to ask you something. Do you know what shared aesthetics are, and why the robots you have in automata do not have a shared aesthetic with the Garlean or Allagan or Alexander's creator? Because i'm thinking you're stopping at "this is a robot, and that is a robot.. they're the same thing!"

Allag built drones that are inverted tricycles with saw blades for wheels and have cubes for heads. Garlemald started off Stormblood with multiple instances of research into cyborgs, from Doma Castle to Castrum Abania, and now we know that Varis is bringing back Allagan cloning as a pet project. There's already plenty of weird designs and a lack of design coherence just within the XIV designs, never mind the ones pulled from VI, VII, XIII, and even IX(the Prima Vista).

[Alexandre_Noireau]

Allag built drones that are inverted tricycles with saw blades for wheels and have cubes for heads. Garlemald started off Stormblood with multiple instances of research into cyborgs, from Doma Castle to Castrum Abania, and now we know that Varis is bringing back Allagan cloning as a pet project. There's already plenty of weird designs and a lack of design coherence just within the XIV designs, never mind the ones pulled from VI, VII, XIII, and even IX(the Prima Vista).

That's only because Garlean stuff is basically a mistery to us as players and culture. We have seen a lot of their "Military" infraestructure. But other stuff is as much as a mistery to us. Like their more "civil" architecture, aside takes on the imperial palace doesn't look thaaaat alien. And most of their labs are basically darker, less led iluminated allag stuff. Honestly all their Magitek/Biotek stuff is not that really tearing as inside Hydaelyn verse goes, i mean, every region/culture is pretty significatively explained as to why they have worked so hard to ground these.

Even if we have seen robots, clones, dolls, biotech stuff, etc. Doesn't mean it's all the same, equally viable. Is like saying: Allags worked on cloning and cyborn tech, "light" enemies are very "angelical" and our enemies are obsessed with "reunification" processes...
...SE could do an Neon Genesis Evangelion raid. Maybe Ascians are SEELE.

See where this leads...?

[REPROBEAN_CHILD]

Let people enjoy things. People wanted a Nier crossover and we have it dedicated through a Raid. People wanted to have an FFXV collab and were getting it with Regalia as a four-person mount. I get that some people have criticisms over these crossovers, but it's obnoxious to drown out the people who were asking for these collabs FOR YEARS. The aesthetic from Nier Automata won't clash with FFXIV in anyway, due to the shear amount of ridiculousness already within this mmo. Alexander, a gigantic robot god is okay, but Engles, another gigantic robot isn't? We also have no idea how the raid will play out (we don't even have screenshots yet). It's way too soon to expect the worst.

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You didn't give a solid reason how Nier's aesthetic will clash with FFXIV. All you did was express the fact you didn't want the crossover.

[Kinazu]

Let people enjoy things. People wanted a Nier crossover and we have it dedicated through a Raid. People wanted to have an FFXV collab and were getting it with Regalia as a four-person mount. I get that some people have criticisms over these crossovers, but it's obnoxious to drown out the people who were asking for these collabs FOR YEARS. The aesthetic from Nier Automata won't clash with FFXIV in anyway, due to the shear amount of ridiculousness already within this mmo. Alexander, a gigantic robot god is okay, but Engles, another gigantic robot isn't? We also have no idea how the raid will play out (we don't even have screenshots yet). It's way too soon to expect the worst.

I'll just throw in my two cents: The reason why Stormblood's Raids failed to draw my attention was because it felt disconnected to the world I came to know: Hydaelyn.
Omega is, arguably nothing more than a machine-made world where we fight fanservice for the sake of fanservice. No matter the story build-up it just seems extremely out of place. The same holds true for the Ivalice Raid. I haven't played any other FF game besides XIV, and from an outsider's perspective, it holds no value over the likes of Coils, which seems to be more fitting due to having a closure from 1.0.
Alexander works because it uses the Primal lore, but it also has XIV-unique fights, the most memorable being Brute Justice.

Exdeath, Kefka heck, even Omega didn't really keep me on the tip of my chair like Bahamut, Brute Justice and Alexander did.

I'm all for crossovers, just not as a main part of the game. Keep the raids to XIV and make it revolve around XIV. Having a crossover being a full raid just feels off. Why not a trial like Rathalos, that one doesn't feel out of place. It even feels plausible for a Rathalos to roam about Hydaelyn.
I know full well that there's fanservice everywhere, but just nudges and small hints are more likely enough, we don't need a full on raid to be one big fanservice/crossover, now do we? We've got two of them in Stormblood, and I honestly don't want another two in Shadowbringers.

What's next? Kingdom Hearts III 8-man Raid?
World of Warcraft crossover combined with MSQ?
Oh, if we're at it can we have Twin Fighter from Dragonica as an actual Job? I'd love that. Might as well at this point, right?

I'm just afraid that with each step into this direction XIV will feel less like XIV and more like a collab of 100 different things. :<

[BillyKaplan]

Omega is, arguably nothing more than a machine-made world where we fight fanservice for the sake of fanservice.

I disagree. It gave us a peek into where Middy came from, partially at least why he came to Hydaelyn, and a little bit about how the Echo works, given our developing interactions with Alpha. Also fleshed out how the Allag even became as advanced as they were - it was all Omega. It both had a previously established supporting cast in the Ironworks and Nero, and also utilized them well - part of Omega's shtick was to cause distress by putting them in danger, highlighting that these are not strangers you care for because you're the WoL - they're actually friends and companions you're been through a thing or two together with. It made sense for them to be used against you in this manner.
Now, compare contrast with the Ivalice cast, sadly...

The same holds true for the Ivalice Raid. I haven't played any other FF game besides XIV, and from an outsider's perspective, it holds no value over the likes of Coils, which seems to be more fitting due to having a closure from 1.0.

While I didn't like how Ivalice felt like it relied on former Tactics familiarity, the rest feels a bit unfair to say. I doubt anything ever will come to the level of Coils because Coils isn't really a side-story. It's an integral part of 1.0-ARR's story locked behind high-end content. I think one of the lessons they learned from it moving forward is to leave such stories in the MSQ where they belong and put things with less plot merit behind the harder raids (and even then separated them to story mode and Savage).

What's next? Kingdom Hearts III 8-man Raid?

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I'm just afraid that with each step into this direction XIV will feel less like XIV and more like a collab of 100 different things. :<

It all depends on how they pull it off, imo. Omega didn't feel more or less detached to me boss-wise than the Gobbie robots did. I mean ok I knew most of the VI bosses (I mean how can you not know Kefka) but saying they're stories from this or other worlds kind of lampshaded it enough for me. Or did you find meaning and flavor in each and every last Coils boss?

[BlitzAceRush]

I'm looking forward to the raid myself, love me some NeiR. However what I find odd about the people against it simply because it may look out of place is that's being totally based on where it came from over what it is. The NeiR tech could be from an otherwise unknown faction/civilisation but that would totally acceptable if it was original to 14.
I just find the "It's aesthetics are out of place" as a weak argument given by that logic no new aesthetics could ever be added as they'd always be "out of place" until their established.

As for the lack of original content, I don't really see that, yes this raid is based on something else, just like Stormblood's was, but you know what else Stormblood had? MSQ, lots of side quests in every zone, beast tribes, Eureka, custom delivers delving into back story for some of 14's characters and the Doman enclave restoration.
Shadowbringers is also going to have the MSQ, beast tribes, Trusts, quests in every zone, the restoration of Ishgard and probably more, it's going to have lots of things exploring the world of 14, then there's the Raid, adding something from outside the game into it's world, what's wrong with both? We get both not one or the other and the crossovers don't eclipse the rest the raid doesn't outweigh everything else.

Even our events cater to both, we get the cross overs, like the 15 one coming up and the MHW one a while back, but we also get ones expanding the lore and world of 14, like Valentines day, Starlight, All saints wake, The rising e.c.t.

Cross overs are fun, I like seeing stuff I enjoyed elsewhere in 14, or being introduced to something interesting I didn't know through them. I also love the world of 14 and very much enjoy seeing it getting explained and I do not see 14 being "watered down" or "just one big crossover" We get plenty of 14 own content and plenty of crossovers to enjoy, verity and all that.

[Jandor]

You're all missing the biggest problem.

Alliance raids don't have weapons associated with them

[Hysterior]

You're all missing the biggest problem.
Alliance raids don't have weapons associated with them

Yet?
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