OH GOD NO...

[Arkdra]

Oh God now we don't want Eureka because running the same 2.0 dungeons over and over and over again was more fun...............

All 2.0 dungeons, yes even THAT one, are better content than AFKreka.

I know, right? And not the mention the horrible RNG with Atmas' FATE grind.

Atma's are boring and still somehow better than Eureka too and I am loling at RNG complaints for atmas in comparison to the zones with literal loot boxes, a weapon with randomized stats, and the logos unlocks (think getting my pyros weapon cost me about 5 mil).

Eureka sucks terribly. Eureka is lucky fishing is right there to be the only thing more boring and tedious. Claims that Eureka has been well-received are ridiculous, nobody really knows what the actual reception is like, not even SE. Because I hate Eureka more than almost anything but I've still got my pyros weapon because it looked too cool to not get and I've got a second monitor so I could do fun things while being afk. Maybe more people hated it, maybe more people found it fun, who knows, who cares.

The bottom line for me is if they keep making Eurekas, as long as they don't stick weapons that glow in them, I probably won't care.

The thing is, if people that didn't like it were to provide constructive feedback on why they consider it bad, it could have gotten a lot better. Most of the times when you ask why they consider it bad, you get the "It's filled with RNG and grind" response. Which doesn't make sense, since AR and HW relics were far more worse in terms of grind and RNG. When Pagos was released and it received a massive backlash, the devs did consider a lot of the feedback in Pyros. So I do wish to see people discussing the issues and flaws in Eureka that can make it a far better content than what it is now and not just throw the RNG/grind card or the "If it wasn't tied to the relic, I wouldn't have done it" because a lot still go there even after getting the relic.

I'll bite. There are several issues with Eureka that are fundamental to it and have been a problem across all of the instances. That somebody would set out to ape the feel of old school mmo's intentionally, despite all those games being fundamentally unpopular (peak player count for FF11 which was the most successful OG mmo was 550k while WoW's was 12 million) and generally reviled is a bold move.

1. Travel is complete garbage until you unlock aetherytes, at which point it becomes regular garbage and stays that way all the way up until you get mounts. A Eureka fan might say this is intentional, I would say there's a reason the rest of this game and every other game launched since 2005 isn't like this anymore.

2. Exp loss. In the year of our Lord 2019 we are dealing with exp loss. Over the course of the 3 Eureka zones I have had to eat about 7 or 8 deaths without a rez and it is crushing every time. Each death loosely represents another hour stuck in this shit zone I want nothing to do with. Pro people will claim it adds a sense of risk to the world. I do not share this feeling. All it engenders in me is anger at whatever stupid asshole placed 9 54 matangas at this chokepoint I need to get through. I do get some satisfaction from running about rezzing people because I know how much this sucks, but this definitely doesn't equal out my loathing.

3. I can't believe these developers expect their players to just run off in the middle of nowhere and grind trash. It's ridiculous. Trash is the lowest tier of content in this game but that's what they want you to do. Grind trash to spawn nm's. Grind trash for exp between nm spawns. Grind a particular trash under certain conditions to get special lockboxes. It's all boring and incredibly tiring. If FF14 were a bad game like the original EQ and FF11 and only required an average of one player input per 10 seconds, then grinding on trash would... Still be lousy to be honest. But at least it wouldn't be giving me carpal tunnel syndrome. At least there could be some socializing done which is how we used to kill time back in those old ass games. But FF14's combat just isn't slow-paced enough to support this.

4. No elemental level sync means that even if you want to grind trash like it's 1999 again, getting a party together for it is surprisingly difficult outside of specific niches once you hit max level.

5. You can't do anything else when you're in Eureka. If I want to grind atma's, I can do it while in queue for other things. If I need to grind dungeons out for dungeon atmas or light I can knock out some daily quests or do some gathering or crafting while I wait. In Eureka, you aren't doing anything except Eureka.

6. Soloing is basically impossible. Like you can do it, but you will blow through potions and the fights take awhile and the rewards are tiny and it's about as fun as fighting any other trash mobs in the over world.

7. THE STORY IS SO BAD UGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

All of this combined means that the most efficient and fun thing to do is just afk in town until an NM spawns. The risk and reward of being outside of town is heavily slanted towards just idling in town and the things you could be doing outside aren't fun anyway, at least in comparison to being afk and shitposting on these forums about how bad Eureka is, or watching something on my second screen, or playing an actually fun game on my Switch.