SE: Please copyright takedown FFLogs.

[LalaRu]

...What's worst is that one must make an account and forcibly opt out in order to be excluded from the site...

Of all accusations, that can be more or less objected, this one is a legit issue. I think it is better fflog keeps not registered character accounts anonymous, and shows only names of registered users that agreed have their name public.

[NocturniaUzuki]

How information plainly given and which one can take or decline, especially when given only in a place by which to seek out improvement or where your underperformance is hampering others' play, is received is on the recipient alone. If they feel ashamed, it's because they believe they have something to feel ashamed about. If they rationalize it in a way that would require something from themselves and yet refuse to give it out of some emotional discrepancy with that finding... that's their own ordeal to handle. Others can provide the steps to bridge that disconnect or avoid the broken bridge entirely, but it's not our responsibility to push them one way or the other any more than to leave them unfazedly standing there in the middle of something they're clearly not ready for at our own expense.

I agree that how the suggestion is taken is up to the recipient, but what you're saying implies that the suggestion is actually a good one.

Let's say you're in a party with me, and you give me the advice: "You should never use The Balance for Royal Road. You'll contribute a lot more to DPS if you hold it and cast it as an AoE later."

There is a lot of room to disagree with that statement. Mathematically speaking, it's probably better DPS (I'm just using this as a random example off the top of my head). However, maybe I have my own reasons for not spreading that Balance. Maybe you don't agree with my reasons. Does that mean I'm just rejecting your advice because I feel ashamed? Don't be so conceited. If you go around assuming every gameplay decision that doesn't line up with your own is due to the other player's ignorance and then try to "advise" them by suggesting how to "fix" their gameplay, of course they'll tend to think you're shaming them more than helping, and get frustrated right back at you. It's hard to see it as friendly advice unless it's framed in such a way as to not imply that their current approach is "wrong" and yours is "right".

Ideally, we'd all keep that in mind and consciously use language that doesn't make implications about whose methods are right or wrong. As long as all players want to personally improve in their own ways, theoretically speaking everyone would still reach almost identical ideal gameplay eventually. The difference is that they would get there through their own experiences and learning processes.

However, to stand up and loudly proclaim: "My gameplay decisions are the best, so you should all listen to me!" is extremely arrogant.

But, it's an arrogance most or all of us are guilty of. Myself included.

[NocturniaUzuki]

Can't edit on mobile, so for the sake of what I just said about beint careful witj language, I need to amend a sentence:

"...but what you're saying implies that the suggestion was actually a good one."

Should be

"...but what you're saying implies that the suggestion was in fact infallible."

[Ash_]

The problem is that, your character is NOT your personal data.

The character itself isn't. The name of the character could be construed as being however your online identifier, and if the collected information can in anyway link back to identifying the user, then that makes it more at risk of being in breach of privacy laws. Ultimately it depends on the territory where a complaint is/if it were made, and the application of that territory's laws. Again it's a grey area, and it's up to the site owners to gauge what the risk is. I know the USA has non-existent privacy laws, but the rest of the world is quite strict in this area.

Also, just hiding logs wouldn't be sufficient in many places, including the EU. If you request all of your data to be deleted from existence, then that service must legally comply. In fact, in many places it is illegal to collect any kind of user information, whether it identifies people or not, without permission including in Aus.

[Johaandr]

@OP -

Ik its a joke but its kinda rude

[Nedkel]

The issue of not having an opt-in/opt-out feature and capturing personal data might be more of a legal issue in some parts of the world and more likely to land the site in trouble, such as the EU where privacy laws are now much tougher. It's the reason we are now asked on just about every site if we accept cookies and having our clicks tracked, to every mailing list requiring your express permission to be on their list, and the right to be forgotten laws. But it's a grey area when it comes to FFlogs, as it doesn't identify you personally, but your character. It could however be argued your character name is your personal online ID, and your personal data is being captured and stored without permission. I've always thought if someone made a complaint in EU, the site probably wouldn't survive as it is.

RODO only applies to the personal data such as your name, home adress, telephone number, email and etc, it has no effect on data from the game of your character.
This kind of data is not a subject in any data protection law in any country.
Also the latest EU law applies only to the companies.

[alimdia]

The character itself isn't. The name of the character could be construed as being however your online identifier, and if the collected information can in anyway link back to identifying the user, then that makes it more at risk of being in breach of privacy laws. Ultimately it depends on the territory where a complaint is/if it were made, and the application of that territory's laws. Again it's a grey area, and it's up to the site owners to gauge what the risk is. I know the USA has non-existent privacy laws, but the rest of the world is quite strict in this area.

Also, just hiding logs wouldn't be sufficient in many places, including the EU. If you request all of your data to be deleted from existence, then that service must legally comply. In fact, in many places it is illegal to collect any kind of user information, whether it identifies people or not, without permission including in Aus.

It's not personal data, you're not your character and there's nothing personal about damage done in a duty, data that is publicly accessible for anyone else in the same duty.

[Alucard135]

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The thing is, SE has the right to use all that data about your character as they like, since you gave them the right to by agreeing to their TOS. When you play with someone else in the game, SE allows them to have all that data recorded (battle logs) into their computer. So the players are not taking your character data without your consent. Rather it's SE giving them that data that they own about your character in the logs, and these logs are created on their computers, not yours. Just like how streamers can make videos with your character name appearing in them without having to get your consent, since the game allows them to see your name.

[HyoMinPark]

The character itself isn't. The name of the character could be construed as being however your online identifier, and if the collected information can in anyway link back to identifying the user, then that makes it more at risk of being in breach of privacy laws. Ultimately it depends on the territory where a complaint is/if it were made, and the application of that territory's laws. Again it's a grey area, and it's up to the site owners to gauge what the risk is. I know the USA has non-existent privacy laws, but the rest of the world is quite strict in this area.

Your character name is also available for anyone to look at on the Lodestone. Unless you have personal information stored on your Lodestone profile that can link back to your real person, how can there be a breach of privacy?

[Maero]

Perhaps had SE had a in game personal parser and such this would be less of an issue.
While sometimes it could be deemed annoying as some seem to think FFlogs is the bible of ffxiv to make points or arguements it is still a tool.
As a console player we get no sort of feedback at all even if we think we do great dps, lol
So when someone does upload i do like to have a look or even at that of other players on the same job