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  1. #11
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonnycbad View Post
    The notion of soloing was in the context of solo content -- Masked Carnivale. There was never any intention of making BLU able to solo anything else other than that, the community misinterpreted the interview, or it wasn't made clear enough.
    I gotta be honest. Statements like those sound like moving the goalpost.

    Also, for anyone who's curious, I found a Twitter post that has reported on some of things said by the Japanese community. Even they wonder why Blue Mage is a supposed solo job that can't solo.

    https://twitter.com/ArtharsFF14/stat...499668480?s=19
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  2. #12
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    Wow really? Japanese thread too LMAO #free Blu. We need a movement lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonnycbad View Post
    The notion of soloing was in the context of solo content -- Masked Carnivale. There was never any intention of making BLU able to solo anything else other than that, the community misinterpreted the interview, or it wasn't made clear enough.
    Thing is, we were led to believe BLU could solo things based on the advertising. In the reveal trailer, they show a BLU facing off against Shiva, and learning her ability. This isn’t possible in game without a party, to my knowledge, but that’s how to video framed it. I really don’t see how that could be misinterpreted.

    I’ll give you that it wasn’t made clear enough, and they should have been more specific to temper expectations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elleia View Post
    Thing is, we were led to believe BLU could solo things based on the advertising. In the reveal trailer, they show a BLU facing off against Shiva, and learning her ability. This isn’t possible in game without a party, to my knowledge, but that’s how to video framed it. I really don’t see how that could be misinterpreted.

    I’ll give you that it wasn’t made clear enough, and they should have been more specific to temper expectations.
    It seemed to be pretty clear to me: It was a solo job that wasn't mean for groups. I wasn't happy with that, but at least it was something I, as a solo player, could do. After all the only group content they mentioned for it was overworld FATES and I could have lived without grouping up for those. I think there may have been less complaining if, like you said, they'd been more specific but you'd still have people ((...probably myself included)) pointing out that there was nothing more then a flimsy excuse and some small changes that held it back from being a normal job.
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  5. #15
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mito123 View Post
    Wow really? Japanese thread too LMAO #free Blu. We need a movement lol
    To add onto this, I went to see the reception on the Japanese forum for myself. I must rely on Google Translator, but I manage to get the gist of what people have been saying.

    I would like to share the first comment I came across that had over 100 Likes. It seems rather clear that this person is... dissatisfied. And a lot of people agree with what has been said. It seems to mostly call out the contradictions in the design of Blue Mage.

    Apologies to the original author for anything that may be lost in translation. Again, this is relying on Google. If anyone wants to write a proper translation, feel free to do so. Follow the View Post button within the quote to see the original post.

    Quote Originally Posted by panda98 View Post
    The basic performance is fucking .
    Where is this a balance break? Even if it is more than 50, combo and barakami technique Even Tamtara does not need to use, level that feels so troubling.
    It's a perfect luggage job. Even if there is a combo, the usage conditions are limited, and the basic attack magic performance is too fucking in the first place in the first place. I think that the level raising has ended if it raised how to raise like an existing job.

    Although needle one thousand seems to be a god skill in the early stage, upward compatibility of this certainly does not exist fundamentally. Pain because there is no strength like fire in the old FF → filer → fiaga.
    It is true that Blue God does not become strong even if the level goes up, but it gets stronger for the first time by remembering strong magic, but that "strong blue magic" is practically absent in fact.
    There might be a strong blue magic at levels 60 and 70, so if 50 is enough, there may be an opinion such as this, but I think that such thing will be an excuse.
    Since you can only play up to the current 50, if performance is damaging at this stage, it is nothing but a fucking thing. In the worst case, when it gets to 60, 70 it will break the balance and it will not matter if we can bare up to 50 Blue Magic Narf, so I feel that "strong blue magic at the present moment" is necessary.

    In the first place, it is unknown what it means to play PT after playing 50 since it is solo exclusively .
    Concept There is not a sense of bleb.
    You should be clear whether you want to play solo or want to entertain PT play .
    It should be implemented after incorporating the contents and playing methods that can be played with 8 blue people or incorporating specifications such as learning that is impossible only with the basic carnival. Honestly I do not have any interest at the moment.

    Although it may be used somewhat if it is a barbarian technique, learning for that is just a penance.
    More basic performance may be raised if it is not 8 blue people if it is not 8 blue people, if it is not possible to learn it might be able to enjoy the pole-goddess warfare , but because the probability is low because the probability is low at 70 with only just looking at the other person's instantaneous breath A mystery specification that it is necessary to carry out trial count like demons. What's fun about this? I think that I thought that I would implement it well.

    When introducing the new system 14, I do not add anything to the existing system as it is, and I feel like ignoring the basic about errors that naturally occur.
    If I think about it, because I am afraid of a balance break due to a new system, I will brakes strangely on parts that I can afford to coexist with existing systems, or make it impossible to share with existing systems, so what do you want to do? It is difficult to understand from the viewpoint.

    Speaking of the example this time, the learning place of Blue Magic is extremely barbarian (it seems probable even though it is normal or true, probability is low, user's epidemic is extremely late), 70 levels to clear It is essential that nursing care of the former, while there is a platoon system while blue male can not participate is the latter place.

    It might be a good idea to fix it after collecting FB, but since it is development, make it solid from the beginning. After completing the learning and carnival all the way, the atmosphere is as spicy as the sky island and LOVM that nobody plays afterwards.

    Therefore, as an impression of implementation, it can only be used with Blue Evil Solo or PT It is only enough to implement 50 jobs. Moreover, it is boring.
    Because I beg you, after thinking about a bit more, please put it in the game, and should not be implemented yet at this level.
    It should have been implemented after firmly testing the strength of the blue magic and corresponding to various contents for the blue magic.
    Although it is limited, it is too damn as a job in everything such as performance, usefulness in various contents, compared with existing battle jobs.
    If it is only pleasure at a carnival, it may be said that it is a tolerance limit, but it should be said no if it is told purposely whether it should have deployed by limiting and large grafiki it should be implemented. You could have made any job for solo martial arts competitions.
    If you continue to make blue makers like this, I think they are really dangerous.
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  6. #16
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    Quote Originally Posted by Palladiamors View Post
    It seemed to be pretty clear to me: It was a solo job that wasn't mean for groups. I wasn't happy with that, but at least it was something I, as a solo player, could do. After all the only group content they mentioned for it was overworld FATES and I could have lived without grouping up for those. I think there may have been less complaining if, like you said, they'd been more specific but you'd still have people ((...probably myself included)) pointing out that there was nothing more then a flimsy excuse and some small changes that held it back from being a normal job.
    The trailer literally shows BLU in a party in Stone Vigil.


    Famitsu writer: In a previous live letter, you mentioned how "BLUs aren't good at party content" or something along the lines, but you can team up to learn blu magic right?

    Yoshida: There's some content that will display "BLUs cannot join this content", but you can form a party to go learn magic from dungeons and primals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonnycbad View Post
    The trailer literally shows BLU in a party in Stone Vigil.


    Famitsu writer: In a previous live letter, you mentioned how "BLUs aren't good at party content" or something along the lines, but you can team up to learn blu magic right?

    Yoshida: There's some content that will display "BLUs cannot join this content", but you can form a party to go learn magic from dungeons and primals.
    Glad you overlooked all the other bullet points saying it's designed to be solo and not suited for parties.

    The highest emote is talking about and referencing solo content.

    The smile which is the second highest is kind of the second tier or desirable way to play which is you CAN form parties together and learn the spell together.

    Sad face was that it wasn't really for DF. Obviously then it would be for pre formed parties which goes back to the second emote tier.

    Look, I like many things SE does or wouldn't be playing the game but trying to apologize for them, when they can have a community rep or staff member come in and clarify why so many people "grossly misinterpreted" on a GLOBAL scale would probably be better imo.

    On a side note Google is translating one word "f***ing" the word used is "Kuso" so more of the lines of "sh**" in context
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    Last edited by QT_Melon; 01-29-2019 at 08:55 AM.

  8. #18
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    Quote Originally Posted by panda98 View Post
    There is not a sense of bleb.
    Truer words have never been spoken.

    More seriously, from what I can gather from this google translation the main points:
    • Blue Mage Combos aren't good because their conditions are so weak (Relying on status effects that many things are immune to)
    • Blue Mage has historically been categorized by gaining power by learning strong Blue Magic spells, but there aren't any except 1000 Needles during leveling.
    • If they intend to release all the OP spells at level 60/70 it will be just an excuse to cover the fact that they botched the implementation of BLU.
    • There is the strange implementation where it's supposed to be a Solo Job that is not suitable for Parties, but then a lot of is actual gameplay is pushing you into parties.
    • It should be given a direction (Solo only or Party play) and then balanced accordingly. I.e. Make it balanced for normal Raids or jack up its power and let it solo everything.
    • I believe there's a section talking about getting carried through the EX trials trying, in vain, to learn the Primal skills...
    • In an effort to prevent an unbalance in the game, it seems that they removed from the main game all the things that would cause an imbalance (Such as the insta-kill skills which don't work on many things) while leaving behind just stuff that would work fine with the main game (The fact that it is pretty much a normal class)
    • Blue cannot use Squadrons to go learn the spells they need from various dungeons for... Reasons...
    • After completing the Masked Carnivale, the job feels empty and boring because there's nothing else to do with it.
    • There is no major difference between BLU and other jobs to justify it being so limited.
    • Any class could have being given Masked Carnivale style solo content.
    • Possibly a comment about how this is a poor precedent for Limited Jobs in the future.

    One of the points that really stood out to me, was the one about how any class could have gotten a Masked Carnivale type arena.

    Heck, I remember one of the best arena mini-games I've ever played, which was the one in the Colosseum in Kingdom Hearts 1. That place was FANTASTIC and there's no reason why something similar couldn't have been implemented that would have worked on other jobs.

    If you think about it, there's no reason they couldn't have also made that style of content that could work with parties too.
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  9. #19
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    I just think they need to just drop that whole idea of being limited and solo play entirely. This is a mmo not single player
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mito123 View Post
    I just think they need to just drop that whole idea of being limited and solo play entirely. This is a mmo not single player
    Then they can delete almost all the Gold Saucer right? ;D

    I don't mind bits of solo content here and there, but they have to be interesting to some extent. That's just not the case with Blue. They can change weekly challenges on the Carnivale, it does not make it more interesting (while if each week had a new fight, or interesting rewards, MAYBE it could be). And on top of that, Blue suffers from poor gameplay because its abilities are just badly designed.

    I'm not even for unlimited blue as it is now; if it is to be allowed in game content, I'd rather have it completely reworked as a standard DPS.

    JP feedback is interesting. I hope we can crash the Q&A this weekend during the fanfest to express even more discontent. At least I'll try ;D
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