Remove limitation on Blu

[Mito123]

I just think they need to just drop that whole idea of being limited and solo play entirely. This is a mmo not single player

[Mansion]

I just think they need to just drop that whole idea of being limited and solo play entirely. This is a mmo not single player

Then they can delete almost all the Gold Saucer right? ;D

I don't mind bits of solo content here and there, but they have to be interesting to some extent. That's just not the case with Blue. They can change weekly challenges on the Carnivale, it does not make it more interesting (while if each week had a new fight, or interesting rewards, MAYBE it could be). And on top of that, Blue suffers from poor gameplay because its abilities are just badly designed.

I'm not even for unlimited blue as it is now; if it is to be allowed in game content, I'd rather have it completely reworked as a standard DPS.

JP feedback is interesting. I hope we can crash the Q&A this weekend during the fanfest to express even more discontent. At least I'll try ;D

[Kalise]

I just think they need to just drop that whole idea of being limited and solo play entirely. This is a mmo not single player

Solo content in an MMO is neither unheard of nor entirely without merit.

I mean, technically, one of the most prominent features of FFXIV is its MSQ, which is predominantly a solo activity, with only the occasional duty here and there to get you to mix with others (Which, often, actually detracts from the experience, especially if you're a newer player so all the "Old" MSQ duties are just steamrolled by level-sync'd characters farming for roulettes...)

Even the Masked Carnivale, in concept, isn't out of place in an MMO (It's implementation is a bit shoddy though... I know a lot of people like it, but to me it felt kind of lame. Especially when one of the main draws was "Using different skills to prey on the different weaknesses of enemies" then the actuality of like 80% of the enemies in the place have no weaknesses or are only weak to Wind which is a damage type available on literally just 1 Primal skill and nothing else. So, much of it was just Glower spam... Or Moonflute>Bristle>Off-Guard>Final Sting because just one-shotting the act was far more entertaining than actually bothering to try and Glower spam the thing down...)

The issue mostly arises when they try and put too much into the solo play category.

Like, having occasional bits of side-content, such as Gold Saucer or Masked Carnivale or MSQ is fine. You spend a bit of time doing it every now and then while you're waiting for something else or while it's 4am and no-one else is online.

Trying to put major content, such as an entirely new class, as solo content just won't work. Especially if you half-ass actually making it solo content so it has just this weird dichotomy where it's sort of solo content because it's just a pile of ass to try and party up as well as locked out of a lot of party content (Be it by level limiting, or by the "BLU can't access this" BS), but then you also NEED to party up to achieve anything with it.

[QT_Melon]

Just to interject a bit.

I do think Blue Mage could have been fine solo if it was actually OP. Instead for example, people complaining they couldn't find a friend to unsync content for Pony Farming Blue Mage could have been the class to allow a person to cheese mechanics to get said pony. In some pieces of End Game content, you actually had to slow DPS unsynced due to certain mechanics. This would have been great for Tail Screw or Missile to work on an end game boss that would have otherwise been a bit difficult even if solo unsynced.

I think that's why I find it frustrating that it wasn't solo so people who wanted to get stuff that's old content and have no friends to farm stuff with couldn't even use Blue Mage to be something that felt it was hyped up to be.

[Blueyes]

The way I see it, making Blue Mage overpowered isn't the answer. SE would be very reluctant to allow such a powerful job to reach max level which means Blue Mage would only be powerful in the context of outdated content. In which case... why not achieve a similar level of power by simply going into old content unsynced as a max-level Blue Mage? The end result would be quite similar. They could even choose to make spells like Doom work against certain bosses as long as it's 10 or more levels lower than your own level. That would provide a means for Blue Mage to break older content without disrupting balance for Roulette.

Their real mistake was making dungeons and trials the only way to acquire several spells. Personally, I think all of those spells could have been included in the Masked Carnival. Enemies that use Flame Thrower, Song of Torment, and so forth. Even Primal actions could have been used during the 25th encounter. That would provide a means to acquire all spells without ever requiring assistance from others. It would then be made possible to experience all of BLU's exclusive content entirely solo.

Mind Blast and Glower would have to be addressed since those spells are required to unlock the carnival. There are ways around that, though, like asking for different spells (such as Bomb Toss and Peculiar Light) or perhaps they can find spots for some new open world enemies that use those attacks.

[Kalise]

Mind Blast and Glower would have to be addressed since those spells are required to unlock the carnival. There are ways around that, though, like asking for different spells (such as Bomb Toss and Peculiar Light) or perhaps they can find spots for some new open world enemies that use those attacks.

Though, the issue is they're now used as part of the cutscene when you unlock the Masked Carnivale.

So they would have to enable Mind Blast and Glower be available somewhere else... Though, without a locked level 50 BLU then it's pretty easy to go and solo Tam-Tara and Aurum Vale (Or even Halatali (Hard)) to pick them up.

Just like if BLU wasn't locked to level 50 then The Ram's Voice and The Dragon's Voice are easily attained from the Chimera regular mobs in Azys Lla... (In addition to Carnivale stage 25, which is where I learned them)

Heck, even Pharos Sirius is soloable so long as you're not stupidly locked to level 50, allowing you to access Song of Torment (As well as the much less necessary Flying Frenzy) - Though, this at least has the variable where you kind of want SoT to be able to properly DPS, such as if you were able to do DF before you reached a level where you could solo Pharos.

Though, yeah, having Glower as a necessity while so few options to attain it is so bizarre... Like, from the top of my head: Coincounter in Aurum Vale, Pyracmon in Halatali (Hard), Steropes (The Eyes Have It (Fate) in Coerthas Central Highlands), Brontes (S Rank Elite Hunt target in Central Thanalan), some Alexandrite Treasure Maps spawn a Cyclops enemy. Oh, and of course, Arena Cyclops in the Masked Carnivale itself (Just to be a troll I guess...)

None of those are particularly reliable solo sources unless you outlevel them significantly or get a party to take them down... Though, I haven't checked if Steropes can be insta-killed (Though, insta-kill skills are again, not so easy to come by unless you have Masked Carnivale for Doom or can take out the level 61 Crag Claws in the Peaks for Tail Screw)

[QT_Melon]

Just like if BLU wasn't locked to level 50 then The Ram's Voice and The Dragon's Voice are easily attained from the Chimera regular mobs in Azys Lla... (In addition to Carnivale stage 25, which is where I learned them)

Mob level has nothing to do with learning skills. You can learn any spell at level 1. You wouldn't have learned Tail Screw from the 61 mobs if that was the case - since a 70 class could carry you.

Chimeras in Azys Lla do not cast the spell, otherwise people would have gone there. You can also learn it from the Thanalan Fate GoGomera or Relic Reborn Chimera.

Now being 50 DOES lock you out of content where you can learn the spell in dungeons. IE you can't go to 51 level content to learn spells in dungeons. This also includes PoTD (Palace of the Dead) since it's technically 60 content (max level you can go. and Blue Mage is capped at 50)

[Kalise]

Mob level has nothing to do with learning skills. You can learn any spell at level 1.

Yes, but it directly impacts your ability to get the skills SOLO.

Try going and learning Tail Screw from the level 61 Crag Claws solo at level 1.

Go on.

I'll wait.

Chimeras in Azys Lla do not cast the spell, otherwise people would have gone there. You can also learn it from the Thanalan Fate GoGomera or Relic Reborn Chimera.

As far as I'm aware, the Azys Lla Chimeras cast the spells, but I admit I haven't checked.

As for Go, Go, Gorgimera and Relic Reborn Chimera, again, these aren't feasibly soloed (Except Gorgimera as it can be insta-killed with Tail Screw/Doom, but again, it implies having these skills which themselves are locked behind Carnivale/Wanderer's Palace (Hard) or level 61 mobs/Sastasha (Hard))

Which is literally the issue with the current implementation of the skills in question, wherein they are annoying to get because you can't solo them as level 50 (Well, Chimera ones you can solo Cutter's Cry for them at 50) so you either need to party up or get a level 70 to come carry you. This is poor design for both "Solo Class" implementation as well as "Normal Class" implementation (If BLU is redesigned and Limited Jobs changed to not be so heavily restricted) making it annoying to go get some pretty crucial spells (You need 3 Primal skills and Song of Torment in order to have your basic DPS rotation for example. With Glower being necessary to do your level 50 class quest)

[QT_Melon]

Repeating again. They do not.

Otherwise people would have done the same thing as they did with the level 61 mob for Tail Screw.

I'm simply pointing out your info is wrong, I am not arguing about whether or not Blue Mage should be solo because I feel it should have been, but for older content, which they failed on that account.

[Kalise]

Repeating again. They do not.

Otherwise people would have done the same thing as they did with the level 61 mob for Tail Screw.

I'm simply pointing out your info is wrong, I am not arguing about whether or not Blue Mage should be solo because I feel it should have been, but for older content, which they failed on that account.

Okay, I went and checked.

Allagan Chimeras in Azys Lla DO CAST THE RAM'S BREATH AND THE DRAGON'S BREATH

So, essentially, what you've done, is come in and fairly aggressively tried to tell me that my info is wrong, by not only providing misinformation (That the Azys Lla Chimeras do not use the relevant skills) but also by missing the fact that I was referencing the ability to solo obtain skills is restricted by level.

So, good job on that one.