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    Blueyes's Avatar
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    Blue Plenilune
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    Diabolos
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    Blue Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Skeith9 View Post
    Tl:dr BLU is great, the toxic salt is aweful, get over it. Give me any anti-BLU argument and I'll counter it.
    Since you asked, I'll bite.

    To start with, people aren't making anti-BLU arguments. For anyone who has paid attention over the last two months, they will understand that the issue is with limited jobs. It's important to make that distinction because there seems to be this notion that the majority of those who express dissatisfaction want to see Blue Mage fully reworked to the point that it has almost nothing in common with its current iteration. Spell learning, gone. Masked Carnival, gone. And so forth. That couldn't be further from the truth. There are those who would be willing to make that sacrifice, but I believe that most people would prefer to see aspects such as spell learning and Masked Carnival remain intact. Again, this isn't anti-BLU. This is anti-limited.

    Let me pull a quote from another player that is worth reading.

    Quote Originally Posted by Factoree View Post
    Yoshi-P has always been an advocate for content for all kinds of players. Remember his reply to the open world PVP question at NA Fanfest this year? The audience member asked if any open world PVP was planned. Yoshi said no, but responded negatively to the applause that followed, stating that while it's fine to wish for content you like, it's not cool to wish that others do not get content they like. I really respect that attitude, but I also think it can be applied to the Blue Mage.
    It's okay to have fun with the current iteration of Blue Mage, but we shouldn't wish for those who want to use Blue Mage in all content to not get what they want. If that statement is going to be countered with, "that's exactly what anti-BLUs are doing to those who like BLU" then that just expresses a complete lack of understanding of everything I've just said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blueyes View Post
    Since you asked, I'll bite.

    To start with, people aren't making anti-BLU arguments. For anyone who has paid attention over the last two months, they will understand that the issue is with limited jobs. It's important to make that distinction because there seems to be this notion that the majority of those who express dissatisfaction want to see Blue Mage fully reworked to the point that it has almost nothing in common with its current iteration. Spell learning, gone. Masked Carnival, gone. And so forth. That couldn't be further from the truth. There are those who would be willing to make that sacrifice, but I believe that most people would prefer to see aspects such as spell learning and Masked Carnival remain intact. Again, this isn't anti-BLU. This is anti-limited

    It's okay to have fun with the current iteration of Blue Mage, but we shouldn't wish for those who want to use Blue Mage in all content to not get what they want. If that statement is going to be countered with, "that's exactly what anti-BLUs are doing to those who like BLU" then that just expresses a complete lack of understanding of everything I've just said.
    I agree, it would be nice if they made it a fleshed out job, and I do not buy that they could not make BLU a fleshed out job while maintaining the learning spell aspect of the job, I do understand that it might not fit within their allotted resources they currently have be it time, man power, or money. I do hope they open up BLU for everyone to fully enjoy but if that is not possible for whatever reason I do hope they still expand on the limited job aspect. It is selfish of me but if I personally had to choose I rather have BLU as it is over no BLU at all or a BLU that did not have the spelling learning aspect or a smaller spell pull to make it easier to balance. I for one have been having a blast messing around with the less then optimal skills.
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    Mirriam Vonvoltaire
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    Zalera
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blueyes View Post
    It's okay to have fun with the current iteration of Blue Mage, but we shouldn't wish for those who want to use Blue Mage in all content to not get what they want. If that statement is going to be countered with, "that's exactly what anti-BLUs are doing to those who like BLU" then that just expresses a complete lack of understanding of everything I've just said.
    To clarify I'm anti-salt, not anti-DF-BLU. There's no point denying the salt. I would be ok with a DF version of BLU added onto it. Gut out what makes it BLU. No need for job quests we already go that. Just give it some combat rotation and a limited selection of 20 - 30 spells in said rotation. Non ofthis "let players choose the spells for dungeons but set requirments". Would not work, not what the devs what, and goes against the established design of jobs. I know I won't play it because it literally won't be BLU, but anyone that wanted to fight a dungeon or raid with BLU colored Seed canons can.

    I would hope that the majority are happy with BLU or at the very least not callinfor it's destruction, but that's not what I see from these forums or reddit. I wouldn't have made my comment otherwise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skeith9 View Post
    To clarify I'm anti-salt, not anti-DF-BLU. There's no point denying the salt. I would be ok with a DF version of BLU added onto it. Gut out what makes it BLU. No need for job quests we already go that. Just give it some combat rotation and a limited selection of 20 - 30 spells in said rotation. Non ofthis "let players choose the spells for dungeons but set requirments". Would not work, not what the devs what, and goes against the established design of jobs. I know I won't play it because it literally won't be BLU, but anyone that wanted to fight a dungeon or raid with BLU colored Seed canons can.

    I would hope that the majority are happy with BLU or at the very least not callinfor it's destruction, but that's not what I see from these forums or reddit. I wouldn't have made my comment otherwise.
    *Laughs in Glowercoloredseedcannon spam*

    *laughs in literally 14 abilities you never swap out*

    *laughs in illusion of spell choice*
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    Naomi Enami
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    Odin
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kabooa View Post
    *Laughs in Glowercoloredseedcannon spam*

    *laughs in literally 14 abilities you never swap out*

    *laughs in illusion of spell choice*
    *laughs in content already done and won't be visited again*
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