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    Quote Originally Posted by HyoMinPark View Post
    I’m not a native speaker, but I’ve studied Japanese for several years now, so take this as you will...

    コツコツとソロで楽しむ育成型
    — This one is tricky:
    “コツコツ” is onomatopoeia, and it can mean “steadily” (like the steady tapping of something), while “ソロで楽しむ” literally means “enjoy solo” or “participate solo”; 育成 means “rearing, training, cultivation, or promotion”; 型 means “mould, type, model”.
    So I’m translating it as “Model that steadily participates solo”.
    A bit awkward sounding. While researching, I also read a definition for コツコツ as “little by little”... may ask my professor about it when I see her today.

    パーティコンテンツには向かない
    — “Not suitable for party content” — direct translation.
    “パーティコンテンツ” is “party content”.
    “向かない” means “not suitable”; the verb 向く can mean “to be suited for”.
    So, may not be that important now, but I said I would ask my Japanese professor about the first bullet point. She said it could be translated as "Something one enjoys solo, little by little" - meaning you can slowly (and steadily) space out the content BLU has to offer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HyoMinPark View Post
    So, may not be that important now, but I said I would ask my Japanese professor about the first bullet point. She said it could be translated as "Something one enjoys solo, little by little" - meaning you can slowly (and steadily) space out the content BLU has to offer.
    Appreciate you went through with that, Hyomin. Even though it was kind of a long stretch to see what SE actually said compared to the translated piece.
    Thank you anyway!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arrius View Post
    Appreciate you went through with that, Hyomin. Even though it was kind of a long stretch to see what SE actually said compared to the translated piece.
    Thank you anyway!
    Not a problem! Nothing wrong with wanting to know what was said in the original language, because things do get lost in translation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HyoMinPark View Post
    Not a problem! Nothing wrong with wanting to know what was said in the original language, because things do get lost in translation.
    You did a great job so don't take it as a swipe but reading your effort gave me some serious "I miss Reinheart" feels lol. Again I greatly appreciate you helping out, just had that thought as I was reading it. Hope the guy is having a good time right now :3

    Can I nominate you? haha (workload x100 XD.....). In your opinion does the Japanese and English match up very well? From google translate (LOL) it looks like some people on the Japanese forum would like to see blue mage stronger and more solo-powerful, I wonder if they respond to this specific line in a similar fashion as people do to here.

    Anyway, thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shougun View Post
    You did a great job so don't take it as a swipe but reading your effort gave me some serious "I miss Reinheart" feels lol. Again I greatly appreciate you helping out, just had that thought as I was reading it. Hope the guy is having a good time right now :3

    Can I nominate you? haha (workload x100 XD.....). In your opinion does the Japanese and English match up very well? From google translate (LOL) it looks like some people on the Japanese forum would like to see blue mage stronger and more solo-powerful, I wonder if they respond to this specific line in a similar fashion as people do to here.

    Anyway, thanks
    I haven’t looked into anything the JP forum has said about BLU. Via hearsay from others, I haven’t heard anything positive about the job itself, but I’d have to actually go to the source to see what they’re specifically saying on it and what their suggestions to improve it would be.
    Perhaps I can find some time to do that, though with school it may be difficult. I am just a student studying Japanese; not a native, to be fair. So certain nuances might be lost on me when I delve into the JP forums. X3
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    Quote Originally Posted by HyoMinPark View Post
    I haven’t looked into anything the JP forum has said about BLU. Via hearsay from others, I haven’t heard anything positive about the job itself, but I’d have to actually go to the source to see what they’re specifically saying on it and what their suggestions to improve it would be.
    Perhaps I can find some time to do that, though with school it may be difficult. I am just a student studying Japanese; not a native, to be fair. So certain nuances might be lost on me when I delve into the JP forums. X3
    Working off only a couple years of Japanese myself, too, but to take some of the highest Like-count quotes from a search for リミテッドジョブ or 青魔道士...

    Quote Originally Posted by bionix View Post
    Lv50のリミテッドジョブ=Lv60の通常ジョブくらいの強さでもバチは当たらなかったように思います。
    少なくともLv50の青魔道士8人で蒼天時代の制限解除PTくらいの立ち回りは出来ないと
    コンテンツとして全く面白みのないまま立ち行かなくなることは間違いないと思われます。

    挑発魔法(もしくはロールアクションフリーで挑発自体をセット可能に)とマイティガードでタンク役を担当したりして
    Lv50の青魔道士8人で極蛮神を討伐できる(今でも上手い人を集めた上で工夫すれば可能でしょうが、もっと普通にやれる形に)のが理想です。

    青8人で挑めばほぼ100%ラーニング可能にするようにした上でPTにラーニングした人がいた場合に
    青魔法トークンのようなものも付くようにすれば後続の支援もしやすくなるのではないかと思います。
    現状は旧FF14レベルの一度作り直しが必要な状況というのが率直な感想です。
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    Even if a level 50 Limited Job had about the strength of a level 60 traditional job, I don't think 『バチ』will have quite hit the mark. (Bachi -> Patch (pachi)? Bee (hachi)? I usually only see this term in CS, for batch filing, and doubt that's what it refers to here.)

    If a level 50 party of 8 BLUs haven't at least the prospects in a given encounter that an undermanned party would have had in Heavensward, it will all be utterly without interest as content and I have no doubt it will be unable to sustain itself.

    Using skills like Provoke (via enmity spells or by simply allowing us access to Provoke itself via Role Actions) and Mighty Guard and really letting us take up the tank role or the like, I'd ideally like for a group of 8 BLUs to be able to tackle Extreme primals. (It is technically possible already if your members are individually skilled and your party coordination crafty enough, but I would like for this to be much more regularly possible.)

    If we get to the point where we can run as a group of 8 BLUs, I imagine we can make it far easier [e.g. less disrupted by job swapping and rotating who gets to benefit from others' sacrificed time on 70s?] for players to successively learn their spells.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dolch View Post
    カンストさせて一通り遊んでみたので
    ・不正とPLなしで上げたけど、敵が密集した狩場を確保できればレベル上げは容易だった。取り合いまたは閑散とした場所で移動狩りだけだとやや苦痛
    ・言うほど火力は低くない、最終装備でガードオファから青魔法連打してるだけで50として十分な火力は出る
    ・かといってリミテッドジョブらしい強さはない、50キャスとして並レベル
    ・死んでたらラーニング不可なら青PTで蘇生がないのが有り得ない、引率前提?
    ・ラーニングはその引率前提のIDが主体なのが苦痛、引率側もされる側も楽しくない最悪のゲーム体験
    ・マスクカーニバルは悪くないが冗長な部分が多い
    ・『報酬はマウント速度上げてない勢は嬉しいが逆に言えば終わってたら無意味では?』
    ・リミテッドにしないと青が入ってきたPTでレベル◯〜で倒されてポカーンとなるでしょ?って発言からのレジスト祭りはなんというかもう…(`・ω・´)
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    Since I played through BLU in the course of getting (it) level-capped...
    (カンスト, contraction of "counter stop") can refer to the level cap, reaching level cap on a class (カンストする)[most frequent], to having all classes at level cap, or to all classes of a given discipline to level cap, so it's a bit ambiguous for now.)
    • Though I was able to level without powerleveling (*being powerleveled), leveling seemed easy so long as you could secure a mob-dense area of your own. Having to move due to player competition was a bit frustrating, though.
    • Our firepower isn't as low as some have said. With final [BiS, or at least level 50] gear and after casting Off Guard, our damage per hit seems fine for a level 50.
    • That being said, we don't have the firepower one would expect from a "limited job", but merely that of an average Lvl. 50 caster.
    • It makes no sense that BLUs both cannot learn skills if dead [when the learning would otherwise be received?] AND all-BLU parties have no access to resurrection spells. Change this to a reduced chance to learn instead of zero chance?
    • Masked Carnival isn't bad per se but they are too many redundant rooms.
    • 『I'm glad we're not rewarded/compensated for with any increased mount movement speed, but on the other hand it feels like there's no real meaning to completion? 』[Not sure what was meant by "mount speed" here. Perhaps that was a suggestion others made?]
    • We get a lot of resistance along the lines "If BLU weren't limited everyone would be left gaping as a the party *is crushed* [or, crushes the content?] the moment a BLU joins" but I really don't know what to make of that...
      [It's hard for me to make out the grammatical subject here -- if refering to us in general as the omitted pronoun (note PT is followed by で、and is therefore just an adverbial element) or the content/encounter itself -- to verify who/what is being defeated.]
    I'll edit it more as I get more time; there's another 8 or so big ones. Heads up: the rest don't seem as positive as the second.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shougun View Post
    You did a great job so don't take it as a swipe but reading your effort gave me some serious "I miss Reinheart" feels lol. Again I greatly appreciate you helping out, just had that thought as I was reading it. Hope the guy is having a good time right now :3

    Can I nominate you? haha (workload x100 XD.....). In your opinion does the Japanese and English match up very well? From google translate (LOL) it looks like some people on the Japanese forum would like to see blue mage stronger and more solo-powerful, I wonder if they respond to this specific line in a similar fashion as people do to here.

    Anyway, thanks
    I did not look at the JP forum myself but someone on twitter posted how they are just as salty as us about this, asking what they should do now with it, asking why this was not a normal job. So seemingly they are also not really that happy with it there.
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