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[Fadnog]

Well, it shares gears and role actions with casters, so its role is defined as ranged magical DPS.

It looks like its a Discipline of Magic with caster DPS role actions, I agree. I'm hesitant to say they coded it as a caster DPS because SE never said it was a "DPS" and only ever said it was a caster. They specifically want out of their way to say it would have caster DPS gear and role actions but didn't say it was a DPS. Which if they came out and said it was a caster DPS from the get go it would have covered BLU's role, gear, and role actions.

I guess to me there's a difference from saying "Its a job that uses caster DPS gear and role actions" and saying "This job is a caster DPS," that's all. Anyways, like I said its all merely speculation as I have no idea how its actually coded in the system.

[Burningskull]

BLU has monster skill/spells and their element is important.

Their element is only going to be important in the Masked Carnival. Thus making them a BLM with weird spell names in the overworld while you are leveling.

[linay]

It looks like its a Discipline of Magic with caster DPS role actions, I agree. I'm hesitant to say they coded it as a caster DPS because SE never said it was a "DPS" and only ever said it was a caster. They specifically want out of their way to say it would have caster DPS gear and role actions but didn't say it was a DPS. Which if they came out and said it was a caster DPS from the get go it would have covered BLU's role, gear, and role actions.

I guess to me there's a difference from saying "Its a job that uses caster DPS gear and role actions" and saying "This job is a caster DPS," that's all. Anyways, like I said its all merely speculation as I have no idea how its actually coded in the system.

That's true enough, I suppose. And looking at it again, Hall of Novice is really the key point there as it's a solo role-based duty.

[Allistar]

You have my support! If XI had BLU for use in all its content then so can XIV!!!

[redcurrant18]

I'd honestly rather they delay Blue Mage before they release a "job" that cannot even do the main story. So much for New Game + and all of the other fun things that I planned to do with this joke mage.

[Blueyes]

You have my support! If XI had BLU for use in all its content then so can XIV!!!

I know that people are going to say that FFXI and FFXIV are different games, but the point is that they made it work. When people admit that this particular take on Blue Mage is nothing more than a mini-game rather than an actual job, and are okay with that, it's saddening to see.

[Allistar]

I know that people are going to say that FFXI and FFXIV are different games, but the point is that they made it work. When people admit that this particular take on Blue Mage is nothing more than a mini-game rather than an actual job, and are okay with that, it's saddening to see.

Fully agree with you

[Bright-Flower]

I know that people are going to say that FFXI and FFXIV are different games, but the point is that they made it work. When people admit that this particular take on Blue Mage is nothing more than a mini-game rather than an actual job, and are okay with that, it's saddening to see.

They are very different games though. Look at red mage in XI versus XIV where it's a pure damage dealer with a bit of utility via vercure/verraise and a group damage buff compared to what it was in XI for example.

They could have made BLU a traditional job in FF XIV. They could have confined it to one role, with a set of abilities like every other job, just tying the monster part into the lore and job quests, and had it function just fine. Or, they could go full on classic blue mage with hunting down skills etc but limit it like they did. Maybe they should have done the former, but trying to do both I think would have lead to issues because of FF XIV's structure. They would have to balance blue mage around having all of its best spells, which means that blue players would be required to go and get those spells, and use those same best spells, to be competitive. A burden no other job in the game has to deal with. You would also have the issue of blue mages in duty finder without an adequate selection of spells holding groups back and potentially getting kicked for it. I don't think a middle of the road approach here is going to work. Either they sacrifice end game viability and go full ham with the skill hunting nature of the job, or they sacrifice that to mold it into a single role job like every other job in the game with a defined skill set they can balance.

FF XI and XIV really are very different games despite both being MMOs. XI's blue mage would not work in XIV. Something had to give. Maybe SE chose the wrong path and should have made it a normal job, but that would have come at a cost on the other end to make it fit.

[Awha]

I know that people are going to say that FFXI and FFXIV are different games, but the point is that they made it work. When people admit that this particular take on Blue Mage is nothing more than a mini-game rather than an actual job, and are okay with that, it's saddening to see.

Why is it sad? As many have said in an ideal world we would have a version that makes everyone happy, but sadly that is not the world we live in. For one I am truly looking forward to taking part in this content, it is a shame that those that wanted to fully fleshed out job did not get that but why is it sad that people are okay with them adding a different flavor of side content?

Should we simply take the all or nothing approach?

[Blueyes]

Why is it sad? As many have said in an ideal world we would have a version that makes everyone happy, but sadly that is not the world we live in. For one I am truly looking forward to taking part in this content, it is a shame that those that wanted to fully fleshed out job did not get that but why is it sad that people are okay with them adding a different flavor of side content?

Should we simply take the all or nothing approach?

I'll explain why.

It's been two months since Blue Mage was announced, and during that time, I have only ever seen those who oppose limited jobs express a desire to reach a middle ground. For those that like Blue Mage as a limited job, not once have I seen someone say that they would be fine with Blue Mage gaining access to all content as long as its identity isn't lost in the process. Why is that? Is it selfishness? Because you are fine with how it is, nothing about it should change? That's like saying that there's no need to add more Gold Saucer attractions because you are fine with the current ones when people who want new attractions aren't asking for the current ones to be removed.

We should be working together on this. Not snapping at each other's throats. And no, my intention here isn't to snap at those who like limited jobs. I'm asking for empathy. Those who seek a middle ground understand what players like about Blue Mage. They don't want those things to be taken away so that those who like Blue Mage can continue to enjoy it as a fully functional job.