Can any WoW refugees explain the exodus to XIV to me?

[Bawk]

I quit WoW this past month. I've been a subscriber for 10 years. The direction of the game is just going south for me. Too much RNG.

I started playing FFXIV a year ago & it took a back seat when BFA came out but, immediately picked it back up around November. So this is now my main game. Content is much more fresh, more frequent content patches, stuff to work towards constantly. Housing.

[Liam_Harper]

Mostly a sense of negligence, and in ways that tend to stick out the most. Not in bugs you can shrug off, either. Cheaters get their loot, then everyone gets something taken away. Miscommunication, miscommunication, miscommunication. Oversold features. Buggy features as prime selling points. Etc., etc.

That's true, I'd forgotten the time I entered BFA's first raid tier day one and got a Warforged weapon to drop, decent weapons being very hard to come by. I was quite happy with that. Blizzard actually hotfixed that weapon overnight, after the raid release and full beta testing, into glamour item with no stats because they wanted that specific one to be glamour. Just out the blue.

The outcry over that one was crazy... can you imagine getting lucky on a savage BiS item and next day Enix had decided to turn it into glamour?

[Shurrikhan]

That's true, I'd forgotten the time I entered BFA's first raid tier day one and got a Warforged weapon to drop, decent weapons being very hard to come by. I was quite happy with that. Blizzard actually hotfixed that weapon overnight, after the raid release and full beta testing, into glamour item with no stats because they wanted that specific one to be glamour. Just out the blue.

The outcry over that one was crazy... can you imagine getting lucky on a savage BiS item and next day Enix had decided to turn it into glamour?

As of getting hit with that on my Warrior, yep.

Like, there are so many of WoW's flaws that will seem exaggerated to any given individual, but when something like that hits someone, or the only talent build they really like on the only class/spec they feel like maining gets nerfed into unusability (this more true in Legion, admittedly)... it's just hard to quantify on their behalf until something similar's happened to you as well.

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There are plenty of things I dislike about BFA and I've long since cancelled my subscription to WoW over them however that weapon your referring to was bugged, its stats were mimicing the actual weapon drop, and was fixed. It wasnt as if Blizzard decided out of the blue to change it. They even relented to the backlash and anyone who looted it prior to the fix got to keep its bugged stats.

Say what? I got to use the good stats for all of that night. Mine never got it reverted after its being turned into a transmog.

[Makeda]

Third, Sylvanas Windrunner and her legion of fans. Continuing the second reason, the faction war is still worse since it revolves around the figure of a "sexy" undead lady. Yup, forget all lore surrounding the Horde and its traditions: all its members must follow her on her genocidal crusade, even against racial allies, no questions asked. What´s even worse is that her fans try to justify her with all their might, going as far as applauding unjustified genocide.

All other criticisms aside...

That was basically no different than the allies bombings of Dresden and Berlin and even Hiroshima and Nagasaki during WWII.
- and with more justification than the allies had for at least the last two of those examples.

Alliance was built around the idea of putting all of the forsaken to a Final Solution, and putting the Orcs into concentration camps. Similar acts exist against the other core Horde races - but with the Undead it is a never rescinded racial kill order. So they fight to survive, 'By Any Means Necessary'. And bombing or sacking an enemy city - through the history of war this was a norm, only finally declared a war crime after WWII, but NOT on the order of genocide. Genocide refers to something much more drastic, like having a kill order out on an entire race, such as that the Alliance has against the Forsaken, but also includes forced internment of entire race, such as the Alliance has against the Orcs.

So... as unsavory as Sylvanus may be, and as poorly written as she may be at present... her actions are basically akin to those of FDR, Churchill, and Stalin during WWII (acknowledging that especially Stalin but also Churchill had a lot of blood on their hands from acts lacking justificationbefore and after the war). Faced with an enemy that will not stop until your entire kind are dead... you do what you have to. And destroying a city is a lot less than what choices could have been made.

That said, I do find FFXIV has done a lot better job with the lore.

The main problem with Sylvanus right now is that she's not being well written, and most of her reasoning is hidden in quest text of assorted side quests in various leveling zones or old dungeons... FFXIV puts the story in your face more, so people here are not as likely to be so uninformed of the motives of major characters...

[SDaemon]

That's true, I'd forgotten the time I entered BFA's first raid tier day one and got a Warforged weapon to drop, decent weapons being very hard to come by. I was quite happy with that. Blizzard actually hotfixed that weapon overnight, after the raid release and full beta testing, into glamour item with no stats because they wanted that specific one to be glamour. Just out the blue.

The outcry over that one was crazy... can you imagine getting lucky on a savage BiS item and next day Enix had decided to turn it into glamour?

There are plenty of things I dislike about BFA and I've long since cancelled my subscription to WoW over them however that weapon your referring to was bugged, its stats were mimicing the actual weapon drop, and was fixed. It wasnt as if Blizzard decided out of the blue to change it. They even relented to the backlash and anyone who looted it prior to the fix got to keep its bugged stats.

[Shurrikhan]

All other criticisms aside...

That was basically no different than the allies bombings of Dresden and Berlin and even Hiroshima and Nagasaki during WWII.
- and with more justification than the allies had for at least the last two of those examples.

Alliance was built around the idea of putting all of the forsaken to a Final Solution, and putting the Orcs into concentration camps. Similar acts exist against the other core Horde races - but with the Undead it is a never rescinded racial kill order. So they fight to survive, 'By Any Means Necessary'. And bombing or sacking an enemy city - through the history of war this was a norm, only finally declared a war crime after WWII, but NOT on the order of genocide. Genocide refers to something much more drastic, like having a kill order out on an entire race, such as that the Alliance has against the Forsaken, but also includes forced internment of entire race, such as the Alliance has against the Orcs.

So... as unsavory as Sylvanus may be, and as poorly written as she may be at present... her actions are basically akin to those of FDR, Churchill, and Stalin during WWII (acknowledging that especially Stalin but also Churchill had a lot of blood on their hands from acts lacking justificationbefore and after the war). Faced with an enemy that will not stop until your entire kind are dead... you do what you have to. And destroying a city is a lot less than what choices could have been made.

That said, I do find FFXIV has done a lot better job with the lore.

The main problem with Sylvanus right now is that she's not being well written, and most of her reasoning is hidden in quest text of assorted side quests in various leveling zones or old dungeons... FFXIV puts the story in your face more, so people here are not as likely to be so uninformed of the motives of major characters...

This. Sorta. The main issue to me was just... "Why now?" The scramble for Azerite was never sold as reason enough to begin warfare, let alone total warfare, on the heels of Legion. Sure, if you want a united Horde-only Kalimdor, it makes sense to eliminate the Night Elves in order not to risk being pincer-ed later on. But... they never use it for anything or engage in warfare enough thereafter for the attack to pay off. Everything goes towards the central isles, wherefrom the far end of Kalimdor was already irrelevant. If anything Sylvanus ended up further consolidating and unifying the Alliance forces at the cost of splitting up their own. It felt shortsighted or outright stupid not in itself, but in the context of the story before and after it.

[Drakkaelus]

Third, Sylvanas Windrunner and her legion of fans. Continuing the second reason, the faction war is still worse since it revolves around the figure of a "sexy" undead lady. Yup, forget all lore surrounding the Horde and its traditions: all its members must follow her on her genocidal crusade, even against racial allies, no questions asked. What´s even worse is that her fans try to justify her with all their might, going as far as applauding unjustified genocide.

Sylvanas is an awful character. I mean, she's been trash for years but at least she was brushed off to Undercity where she couldn't do any damage. But someone wanted their hot waifu to be leading a faction that she's never actually cared about (she didn't even give a shit about her own faction all that much, let alone the rest of The Horde), logic be damned, and it's been a shitshow ever since.

[Liam_Harper]

There are plenty of things I dislike about BFA and I've long since cancelled my subscription to WoW over them however that weapon your referring to was bugged, its stats were mimicing the actual weapon drop, and was fixed. It wasnt as if Blizzard decided out of the blue to change it. They even relented to the backlash and anyone who looted it prior to the fix got to keep its bugged stats.

I don't see what there is to defend, they'd never done a stat-less glamour weapon as raid loot in the history of the game, the weapon model was simply an ugly re-colour of an existing weapon, the weapon had stats the entire way through beta testing and it was only reverted after about 700 pages of outcry. The point is that a well made game doesn't make blunders or unnecessary decisions like that, while a neglected one does.

[SDaemon]

Say what? I got to use the good stats for all of that night. Mine never got it reverted after its being turned into a transmog.

Any Khor, Hammer of the Guardians that dropped prior to the hotfix that fixed the bugged stats were reverted to their prehotfixed stats, per a statement released by Ornyx on September 6, 2018. Any Hammer of the Guardians that dropped after the hotfix won't be reverted. If yours was somehow skipped you can file a ticket with customer support to have it changed. They can see when your hammer dropped to verify.

I don't see what there is to defend, they'd never done a stat-less glamour weapon as raid loot in the history of the game, the weapon model was simply an ugly re-colour of an existing weapon, the weapon had stats the entire way through beta testing and it was only reverted after about 700 pages of outcry. The point is that a well made game doesn't make blunders or unnecessary decisions like that, while a neglected one does.

What? MMOs are going to have bugs. Even the best made MMOs have bugs that make it to the live game, most of them being far more serious and noticeable than Khor's issue and not all bugs are so easily fixable as the Khor issue either.

[Vahlnir]

Any Khor, Hammer of the Guardians that dropped prior to the hotfix that fixed the bugged stats were reverted to their prehotfixed stats, per a statement released by Ornyx on September 6, 2018. Any Hammer of the Guardians that dropped after the hotfix won't be reverted. If yours was somehow skipped you can file a ticket with customer support to have it changed. They can see when your hammer dropped to verify.



What? MMOs are going to have bugs. Even the best made MMOs have bugs that make it to the live game, most of them being far more serious and noticeable than Khor's issue and not all bugs are so easily fixable as the Khor issue either.

Bugs are to be expected, sure. That's a given. What Blizzard essentially did with BfA though was release it both unfinished and unpolished. And it showed. Still shows, actually.