Is it wrong to run Castrum Abania as a tank at ilvl 272

[Hamada]

The thread is long, I'm going to miss stuff, and I'm certainly not going to go digging for your post.

"Are you one of those people who blames healers when a tank gets one-shot by a tank buster? "
you replied to this, it was older then mine. So no you are wrong, you just can't stand losing this argument so you ignore it. You clearly act like that tank that blames the healer that gets one shot by a tank buster since you are acting like it is ok to enter a dungeon under geared.

My stance hasn't changed, by the way. It probably isn't going to either, if you were holding your breath.

A lot of people here could do with the same advice.

So you say the same thing, to provoke others to say the same thing, that is why you are wrong with "a lot of people could do with the same advice" If you stopped posting your misguided views, then others would not have to keep repeating themselves to debunk what you keep repeating.

For your statement on " It isn't difficult at all to augment the gear anymore" you know what is not difficult? running the dungeon before for exp and putting on gear you find, and the guaranteed drop at the end. You are not making sense, you are trying to suggest it takes less effort to farm tomestones for temp gear, then it is to just simply equip gear you find as drops and handed to you. If they meant augmented sire that should been said, but it really doesn't matter, both are under geared for Castrum Abania.

Speaking of repeating points, here is a big one you keep ignoring, you do not want to reply to it because you can't because you do not know how to rebuttal something that clearly defeats your stance:

stop misinforming people.

Like nestama said, we are not denying it can't be done. What we are against is gearing like that in pugs, esp as tank. Just because you know how to play and you know how to pass this place in i270 does not mean others can. This is a team effort, not your self.

Except it's still quite doable at that level, so it isn't that simple, unless you just think no content should be done without the best gear possible.

How can you sit here and say "Based on you trying to put words in my mouth though, I'm going to assume I'm not missing out on much." when you just put words in my mouth here? Do note I do not care about talking to you or trying to convince you. I am here posting for others to read so you do not mislead others.

I do not care about having the best gear possible, what I care about is people not running dungeons gimp making 3 others who might not be able to handle that, to make the dungeon manageable.

And you really believe that people would make the effort or have the knowledge to upgrade their shire gear if they are to lazy to upgrade their normal leveling gear to a propper ilvl? They would still have to run 2 level 60 24 man raids for that and they would need to know that they can upgrade the gear, try again.

no you don't you can buy those items with tomestones too, but ya it takes more effort to farm tomestones and upgrade them then it does to run the dungeon before Castrum Abania for drops and the guaranteed thing at the end.

But we can certainly prove by deductive reasoning that SE is OK with entering Castrum Abania in whatever gear your wearing

No you cannot. It does not make sense since you can enter these things so low geared you can be one-shoted left and right. You and Fynlar are living proof on this forum SE needs to make requirements for everything. As you said ealier they make oversights, and this is clearly one of them.

[whiskeybravo]

No you cannot. It does not make sense since you can enter these things so low geared you can be one-shoted left and right. You and Fynlar are living proof on this forum SE needs to make requirements for everything. As you said ealier they make oversights, and this is clearly one of them.

Oh yea, those 15k tankbusters are brutal.

I do not care about having the best gear possible, what I care about is people not running dungeons gimp making 3 others who might not be able to handle that, to make the dungeon manageable.(edited)

This is a massive assumption that people can't adjust strategies. No dungeon has to be speed run with wall-to-wall pulls by tanks in DPS Stance if the group can't actually handle it. This comment also glosses over the obvious fact that even people who are "appropriately" geared can still make incredible mistakes that prevent duty completion.

[Hamada]

Oh yea, those 15k tankbusters are brutal.



This is a massive assumption that people can't adjust strategies. No dungeon has to be speed run with wall-to-wall pulls by tanks in DPS Stance if the group can't actually handle it. This comment also glosses over the obvious fact that even people who are "appropriately" geared can still make incredible mistakes that prevent duty completion.

Look at the story by the TC, where assuming on my part? You are the one on assumptions. The healer was clearly not skilled and was not ready for a tank wearing gimp gear, this is EXACTLY what we are saying in why you do not enter here in i270 gear as a tank. You and Fynlar have issues with considering the other 3 people in your pug.

"Is it wrong to run Castrum Abania as a tank at ilvl 272"
yes it is, your post did nothing to show logical argument that should suggest otherwise.

[whiskeybravo]

Look at the story by the TC, where assuming on my part? You are the one on assumptions. The healer was clearly not skilled and was not ready for a tank wearing gimp gear, this is EXACTLY what we are saying in why you do not enter here in i270 gear as a tank. You and Fynlar have issues with considering the other 3 people in your pug.

"Is it wrong to run Castrum Abania as a tank at ilvl 272"
yes it is, your post did nothing to show logical argument that should suggest otherwise.

Not sure what TC is, maybe the same as OP? Either way, I suggest you go back and read it yourself. Didn't see anything pertaining to an incapable healer. More like they just refused to do their job.

[Hamada]

I have mained tank since the release of ARR i know my role well and i'd like to think im a decent tank and person. When i entered Castrum Abania on my lvl 69 drk ilvl 272 as a leveling roulette queue i was nothing but disrespected by the healer and dps. One of the dps was of similar item level as me. We plowed our way to the final boss i tried to just keep to myself so i could get the dungeon done because as any roulette runner knows we do them to get things done for exp and tomes, not to sit around all day.

When we got to the final boss we wiped 3 times because 1. The dps were not killing the hand adds that latched onto the healer and thus the healer could not heal me, and 2. The healer kept getting hit by almost every aoe i saw. Sure i was getting hit a bit hard but 10 ilvl difference between end game gears surely doesn't make it sooo terrible that it warrants harassing me over it and then blaming me for their own shortcomings in terms of doing the mechanics right?

1. We have missing information here, it is likely though, they where talking about the gear issue throughout the dungeon, hence " i was nothing but disrespected by the healer and dps." Well that is because entering this place as a i272 tank is disrespectful and they where objecting to it, and fully right to do so.

2.Sure i was getting hit a bit hard but 10 ilvl difference between end game gears surely doesn't make it sooo terrible that it warrants harassing me over it and then blaming me for their own shortcomings in terms of doing the mechanics right?

"harassment" is a prospective point. We do not know what was going on for this "harassment" Some people over exaggerate what constitutes as harassment. I said this earlier in the thread, the group was in the wrong for failing mechanics, but so is "I am a veteran of this game and i know how to play and whats fair and whats not IN MY OWN OPINION, but i guess i am coming to the forums to look for a little reassurance and get other peoples views on this situation as well. "

clearly they do not know what is fair if they think entering this place as a 272 tank is fair and "10 ilvl difference between end game gears surely doesn't make it sooo terrible that it warrants harassing me over it and then blaming me for their own shortcomings in terms of doing the mechanics right?"

also misuses what "endgame gear" is 282 is not "endgame gear" even back in 4.0, the first expert dropped i300.


So back to the point that you did not comment on I guess?:
"Is it wrong to run Castrum Abania as a tank at ilvl 272"
yes it is, your post did nothing to show logical argument that should suggest otherwise.

[Nestama]

But we can certainly prove by deductive reasoning that SE is OK with entering Castrum Abania in whatever gear your wearing when you unlock it since there is no other explicit limitation or requirement set forth.

By that logic, it's perfectly fine to enter Castrum Abania in level 1 glamour gear. The dungeon isn't gonna stop you like the 50, 60 and 70 dungeons, after all.
Most people, specifically in PuGs, don't enjoy the feeling of carrying someone to victory. Especially if that victory involves an Extreme Trial and mounts in the loot pool. It sucks when you're one of the few people who do everything right and carry the group (with two-six others) and then lose out on a roll for the mount when someone who KO'd 5+ times gets it (it almost feels like a pyramid scheme).

[Hamada]

By that logic, it's perfectly fine to enter Castrum Abania in level 1 glamour gear. The dungeon isn't gonna stop you like the 50, 60 and 70 dungeons, after all.
Most people, specifically in PuGs, don't enjoy the feeling of carrying someone to victory. Especially if that victory involves an Extreme Trial and mounts in the loot pool. It sucks when you're one of the few people who do everything right and carry the group (with two-six others) and then lose out on a roll for the mount when someone who KO'd 5+ times gets it (it almost feels like a pyramid scheme).

I am glad you spelled that out for him because I did make that same reply, though in a more convoluted manner because I was hoping they could think for a bit. Clearly I was wrong, since that point got ignored and laughed it off by saying "Oh yea, those 15k tankbusters are brutal." well you are not going to have 15k HP wearing lv 1 gear are you?

[Buzzwords]

i mean you might have 2 problems in that; sure it sounds like the party wasn't even trying to meet you halfway... buuuuuut...

yes, it's wrong. you're under geared. if you're supposed to be a main tank since ARR release and by your own words a veteran of this game who knows how to play and so on etc. you should know better.

the main story throws out free gear like candy. previous leveling dungeons are guaranteed to drop SOMETHING relevant on completion. (and again, a "veteran" shouldn't even need all the freebies to keep themselves more current)

if you insist on doing the barest minimum, stick to HoH. and definitely don't try to brag about how good and experienced a tank you are.

your party ALSO being bad doesn't change any of that. be a part of the problem or a part of the solution, you know?

[Ilan]

There are numerous examples of SE not expecting their players to do a lot of things their players have done. Not sure how culture has anything to do with it, for example, I'm sure players on both sides of the pond used lv60 STR accessories on tanks at SB launch due to SE's oversight. Common sense isn't culturally restricted..

Again taking a comment out of context, what I said about "can't be proven" was in relation to joining random DF group to test my undergeared WAR alt. It is an actual limitation since it didn't meet requirements to join. I can't prove it. But we can certainly prove by deductive reasoning that SE is OK with entering Castrum Abania in whatever gear your wearing when you unlock it since there is no other explicit limitation or requirement set forth. The whole concept of being on a "team" is predicated on the idea that we are stronger by working together. Sure, every player would like to be on a "super team" with all the best players around them but that's just not how team games work, it's not how the world works. It's a responsibility of the more capable players to carry a larger burden and bring the team to victory.

So its ok when i que up for leveling without armor, just level 1 glamour, and with just a level 1 weapon, right? Because thats what i can do and since the DF allows it.

I really can't believe how stubborn and unreasonable some people are in this game.

[reivaxe]

One thing people forget about tanking troubles is that we have a huge amount of pressure on keeping ontop of our gear. Cause things get real stressful when we don't.

Idk if the op really has been maining tanks since arr cause if so I'd think they'd know the importance of it and I'd think they'd have thicker skin than to be rattled by a bad party. You can always leave, you don't have to put up with bullying.