I liked Eureka

[TalithaSolarien]

I would recommend not going to Pagos until you're at least 23. A full challenge log done in Anemos at level 20 will give you a full 3 levels. It's what I've done with my alts before entering. You need to be there at 25 for your kettle and light gathering. Be happy to offer you suggestions when you're ready to go.

That is my current plan, yes. Leveling to 23-25 and then go to Pagos. I'm not so sure what to do there then yet, so any advice for new Pagos dweller would be welcome.

[Gralna]

Expect Pagos to be much slower paced than Anemos, Bunny Fates are a nice way to fill in time between NM spawns. While Bunny Fates don't give much xp compared to NMs, they respawn much faster and you have a chance to pick up some nice items.

When sneaking past sleeping dragons without a mount, make sure to send fairies/egis away since dragon will aggro them right away.

Don't sweat it if you can't make it to NMs in the northern part of the map before lvl 30, it's a long dangerous trek up there from the south of the map.

[LaylaTsarra]

That is my current plan, yes. Leveling to 23-25 and then go to Pagos. I'm not so sure what to do there then yet, so any advice for new Pagos dweller would be welcome.

Well i can tell you what I do. As a really low level you do very little damage and get very little if any experience in a group. I will camp at a location called Igloo which is where an nm spawns with that name on one of the elevated ridges which puts me in range of nm spawns east and west. I do that when i have a return handy so if a lower level NM spawns you can use return and use the aether at Icepoint to get to the 21 aether and go to the nm from there. If I don't have a return I would recommend camping at the ridge just north of the northern bunny fate and wait for nm spawns. If you're not north when nm's spawn north you won't get to them in time. There is a shortcut drop down at the bunny fate location that lets you drop down near the 21 aether and you can go to the nm's from there.

It's all about positioning at first in my opinion until you get the 30 and 32 aether and then life becomes easy. I've leveled quite a few alts there and that's what I would do. A major buff is coming next week I suspect so Pagos should be a lot faster/easier but getting north I suspect will still be an issue if you're starting from Icepoint.

Once you get higher level you can help prep NM's and you will get much of your challenge log done by doing that especially if you're level 29 and above.

If you're proactive when you hit 34/35 you can farm light doing Anuby's, Dragon Farms or Forge Farms which yield light which converts to Frosted Crystals for which you will need 31. NM's give you the crystals you need.

Good luck.

[Iromi]

I liked it too. BF and I had fun doing it together

[Alucard135]

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Then you were helping in the train. So you weren't getting rewarded for nothing as you said before. As for people dragging mobs, that's not really a fault of Eureka itself. It's the players' fault. And furthermore, it's the fault of your party members for getting aggro from these random mobs in the first place (I'm assuming you're already in a party, since that's the most efficient way to get gold in NM fates). Since you're a healer, you'll get their aggro if you healed them and most likely get the highest enmity and end up dead. As a DPS myself, I never use AOEs during an NM fight. So I myself never had to deal with people dragging mobs nor did I burden my healers with that when they heal me. But again, that's the issue with the players, not the content (just like early pullers in hunts and the chaos you still see at Odin fate). When it comes to rendering mobs, nothing really can be done about it due to the game engine itself.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Eureka is a perfect content and has to be added to 5.0. It has issues that if fixed would make it even a lot more better. Such as it being an instanced content, no level syncing, no quests in the zone, and Pagos (The logos system was a great addition). But when we talk about RNG and grind being the issue of why Eureka is bad. Then ARR and HW relic should be considered the worst content, since they were riddled with those in their steps. The RNG in Anemos is what you get from lockboxes, the amount of protean crystals you get from Anemos crystals (3-5) and NM spawn rate (which isn't really bad). As for Pyros it's almost the same RNG but with the extra substat one. Which isn't really bad considering you can easily get an OP weapon that can surpass the raid 405 if these substats can carry on in Hydatos with not really much of an effort (Currently my RDM weapon has 575 crit and 65 DH, which I'm leaving at that till Hydatos). As for the grind part, getting through Anemos in 3 days (I'm not a hardcore grinder. People were already reaching level 18 in day one) and through Pyros in 5 days (first day, I was busy doing my weekly alphascape raids) is hardly a grind compared to some steps in previous relic quests (I'm not talking about Pagos. The grind and RNG were horrible).

I can see why they wanted to fix the train in Pagos but doubling down on the NO FUN ALLOWED aspects ...

The dev team did mention that Pagos was already completed before they can even include any feedback from Anemos. So it wasn't made with that intention according to them lol.

[Erudito]

I am glad you liked it, really I do.

However, I did not. I could pass Anemos because the loot was not covered under a mountain of RNG and there was actual motion throughout the area.

Pagos was a nightmare. The place, the relic, the cold-warped lockboxes, the bunnies, all of it was more of a punishment for actually wanting to partake of the content.

As for Pyros, I got to level 41 and just stopped. Pagos outright ruined any notion that the content could improve and I was right.

The nail on the coffin is this: this is content marked for death so making anything and everything artificially difficult to obtain due to mountains of RMG is outright ludicrous.

Please, no more of this, in any form, come Shadowbringers.

[Joe_Schmoe]

Yeah, I said it.

I had fun and thought the items you got for the effort you put in were pretty good.
It also had much more social interaction than most areas of the game I've seen.

Was it perfect? No.
But what is?

I would have put Anemos last because I thought it was the best of the three.
Plus, I'm getting a little tired of snow covered areas.

But all in all, I thought Eureka was good.

Come at me bro.

Loved it! At least Aenemos anyway. From the few minutes I was in Pagos it was a ghost town. Unlike Aenemos, where it was a lot like Guild Wars 2, just one big festival concert, like Woodstock. And FATEs are like mosh pits (with the boss/adds being the "band"), just a big 'ol mass of bodies slashing/punching/piercing/mage-ing/shooting. And if you get knocked down, someone always picks you up again. The community at its finest here.

[Laphael]

If users end up using your system in a way that you didn't plan for/think of, and on top of that are hard to make run the content at all without it, stomping your foot down and creating one of the least user friendly experiences I have seen in a game is nothing short of a childish tantrum. How dare they play the game not the way we intended it to.

Reading some of the comments here i just want to make clear:
They said in an Interview, that Pagos was already done when Anemos was released.
No feedback from Anemos (player or dev sided) was implemented in Pagos!
They did not punish the players for the train. Pagos just wasn´t balanced with the train in mind.

I although think, that pagos was the worst part; just wanted everyone to know this facts.

[Mansion]

Reading some of the comments here i just want to make clear:
They said in an Interview, that Pagos was already done when Anemos was released.
No feedback from Anemos (player or dev sided) was implemented in Pagos!
They did not punish the players for the train. Pagos just wasn´t balanced with the train in mind.

I although think, that pagos was the worst part; just wanted everyone to know this facts.

THANK YOU.
I'm so tired of reading this all over again.

Although, there is a choice regardless of that because in Pagos, NM will nevertheless give you less XP and the amount of Pagos crystal needed is high (I believe they said it would be nerfed in 4.5 though). So it combines this lack of feed back and also the need for a slower-paced relic step.


I liked Eureka as well actually. That's the first instance where I really felt like playing a MMORPG, because you need player interaction, coordination... There has been some salt in the Shout chat, but that's also the place where I had the most fun with random people. Sure it had a lot of flaws on its beginings but now it's far more enjoyable and even if I completed the two weapons I main, I still hop in from time to time.
That does not mean I want more content like this one in the next expansion though. But Eureka improves on the Diadem, and a 5.0 area improving on Eureka could be interesting somehow... just don't lock the relic there and you'll see less people yelling at it everywhere

[EaMett]

I would recommend not going to Pagos until you're at least 23. A full challenge log done in Anemos at level 20 will give you a full 3 levels. It's what I've done with my alts before entering. You need to be there at 25 for your kettle and light gathering. Be happy to offer you suggestions when you're ready to go.

Currently stuck in Pagos. Took me at least 2-3 hours each time trying to find 3-4 people to do challenge logs with. Then I need to go through the logs which takes time too because there’s going to be level descrepencies between players. It’s a nightmare and not one you can break up into 1h sessions either. You need to sit down and plan at least 3-4h straight in game to get anything done.

NM train is hardely an option as well since they spawn way too infrequently and the aetherites are so high level that the NMs are usually dead (or you are) before you can even get to them.

Gating relic weapons behind content that turns stale once the majority of the crowd have rolled over it is horrible HORRIBLE design. And this is coming from someone who actually enjoys this kind of content.

So disgusted by the pain it’s caused I just gave up. If i still care enough about the game when relics catch up to current BiS then I might try my hand at it again. If not I’ll give it a shot when it’s fully nerfed for glam if there’s anything I like enough.