Punished For wanting to get stuff done

[SturmChurro]

Yeah granted they would have been the entry level to tam tara as an alt job.But still it means that whereas in ARR that would have equate to 1 lvl gain doing a run now they are gaining 7.So instead of doing 7 dungeon runs to get to that level they are only doing 1.Thats a lot of dungeon experience missed on jobs they dont know yet.If you think about with the giant leaps with the likes of leveling roulette and then at later levels with story roulette people arent running near as many dungeons as you used to.Or people are running through POTD where the enmies dont have enough hp to get any proper rotations in.
What we are seeing more and more players only actually learning how to play their jobs properly at high levels.And when i say high levels i mean literally above level 60.They are being carried through by older players in roulette prior to this.
SE have overbuffed experience gains and in the long run player skill has suffered over it.

I will say I might not be getting 7 levels an at level dungeon on my alt, but I am literally 18 levels ahead of my story, barely done any dungeons - even at level ones first time without the roulette give me near a full level. My leveling experience has pretty much been me afking in quarrymill, and since I am leveling as a paladin I can just log in for 20 minutes, get my level, and get off. I have probably done 20 or less dungeon runs TOTAL on it. No FATEs, or open world content (well, I did do some FATEs and my hunts to get to 15 along with main story), and this is a fresh character WITHOUT the armory bonus. I can only imagine how fast a player keeping up in story and doing roulette. I think all you really need to do is the story anyway, I think it gives you enough exp if you keep up with it.

I started playing this game in Heavensward and even then I used FATEs and dungeon grind to level up. Hell, at the start of Stormblood I grinded dungeons to get my WHM/WAR to 70, now I can just do heaven on high 2 dozen times from 61-70.

[Metalwrath]

I will say I might not be getting 7 levels an at level dungeon on my alt, but I am literally 18 levels ahead of my story, barely done any dungeons - even at level ones first time without the roulette give me near a full level. My leveling experience has pretty much been me afking in quarrymill, and since I am leveling as a paladin I can just log in for 20 minutes, get my level, and get off. I have probably done 20 or less dungeon runs TOTAL on it. No FATEs, or open world content (well, I did do some FATEs and my hunts to get to 15 along with main story), and this is a fresh character WITHOUT the armory bonus. I can only imagine how fast a player keeping up in story and doing roulette. I think all you really need to do is the story anyway, I think it gives you enough exp if you keep up with it.

I started playing this game in Heavensward and even then I used FATEs and dungeon grind to level up. Hell, at the start of Stormblood I grinded dungeons to get my WHM/WAR to 70, now I can just do heaven on high 2 dozen times from 61-70.

Aye like i was stating to another fc member who is new is that you gain levels too fast now.And explained to them that there is literally no point in doing roulettes on your main character.You gain xp so quickly now that you'll end up being much higher level but no access to the content for that level which imo makes it pointless.
Personally i feel stuff like roulettes should be locked out for jobs below level 50 to stop this happening because new players are only going to get annoyed and leave the game when they realise they have all those levels and no access to the high end content.And doing it on alts is only going to get them flamed in dungeons when they cant play their role to a reasonable standard at high levels

[SturmChurro]

Aye like i was stating to another fc member who is new is that you gain levels too fast now.And explained to them that there is literally no point in doing roulettes on your main character.You gain xp so quickly now that you'll end up being much higher level but no access to the content for that level which imo makes it pointless.
Personally i feel stuff like roulettes should be locked out for jobs below level 50 to stop this happening because new players are only going to get annoyed and leave the game when they realise they have all those levels and no access to the high end content.And doing it on alts is only going to get them flamed in dungeons when they cant play their role to a reasonable standard at high levels

I actually have to go out of my way to collect the higher level dungeons. If I wanted to I could skip it all except for the main story ones. Leveling roullete will work on the ones it gives me from that anyway. PoTD/HoH, for me, does give me good practice when I decide to level another job though. Granted you won't learn fight mechanics, etc. too much, but you can practice your higher level rotation well enough.

[Zarkovitch]

You should able to queue now! Nice!

[Metalwrath]

I actually have to go out of my way to collect the higher level dungeons. If I wanted to I could skip it all except for the main story ones. Leveling roullete will work on the ones it gives me from that anyway. PoTD/HoH, for me, does give me good practice when I decide to level another job though. Granted you won't learn fight mechanics, etc. too much, but you can practice your higher level rotation well enough.

Actually no you cant.Mobs die in a few hits so you dont get to do full rotations or experience.PLD rotations are very simple but in terms of dps rotations that rely on stacks that deminish its not possible.

[Gemina]

Well, they weren't focus healing the tank. They were focus healing themselves at full health. They occasionally only healed the tank. Also, died on that boss even though they were eating all the fruit on that side.

Inexperienced for sure. I actually have a high tolerance, but I can call something a duck when it walks like one. They should know how to target and who to target by Aurum Vale. I could understand dying on mechanics.

Fair enough. I can only be on the outside looking in. I was just mentioning that it's a pre-anything dungeon, and AV is truly the first dungeon where the unavoidable damage packs a punch. It's usually the first dungeon a healer says, "Hey! What happened to all your guy's health!?" The behavior you described by this healer is indicative of one who was panicking, which comes from inexperience, anxiety, or both.

[SturmChurro]

Actually no you cant.Mobs die in a few hits so you dont get to do full rotations or experience.PLD rotations are very simple but in terms of dps rotations that rely on stacks that deminish its not possible.

It depends really. On trash, a full rotation - probably not. On the boss you can. That's kind of how it is in dungeons anyway, and until you start the higher level ones you don't have access to those skills. I learned my RDM through it, and seem to be doing pretty great so far (gear is holding me back though, of course). Granted even a monkey could probably do RDM, but I digress...

[Metalwrath]

Fair enough. I can only be on the outside looking in. I was just mentioning that it's a pre-anything dungeon, and AV is truly the first dungeon where the unavoidable damage packs a punch. It's usually the first dungeon a healer says, "Hey! What happened to all your guy's health!?" The behavior you described by this healer is indicative of one who was panicking, which comes from inexperience, anxiety, or both.

Not really.Brayflox really challenges new healers with all the poison.especially on the last boss.
Stone vigil is also before AV and some of those dragons hit like a truck.A party can get easily overwhelmed there just by one of those patroling adding to the pull they are fighting.

[Gemina]

Not really.Brayflox really challenges new healers with all the poison.especially on the last boss.
Stone vigil is also before AV and some of those dragons hit like a truck.A party can get easily overwhelmed there just by one of those patroling adding to the pull they are fighting.

I'd argue that Cutter's Cry gives new healers more trouble than either of those thanks to the good 'ol non-telegraphed AoEs of the Chimera. This attack is still avoidable though unlike Gold Rush and Burr Burrow, which inflicts a DoT greater than that in BF along with initial damage based on number of stacks. Poison stacks in BF are actually not that bad. Pre 4.0, SCHs would get a little nervous about not having a cleanse at that point, but Lily handles the multiple stacks just fine.

I'm not saying that parties can't or don't get overwhelmed in those two dungeons, but until AV, health bars can stay above a newbie healer's threshold if everyone avoids the bad. In AV against Locksmith and Miser's Mistress, nothing can be done about it, and the healer simply has to step up.

[Metalwrath]

I'd argue that Cutter's Cry gives new healers more trouble than either of those thanks to the good 'ol non-telegraphed AoEs of the Chimera. This attack is still avoidable though unlike Gold Rush and Burr Burrow, which inflicts a DoT greater than that in BF along with initial damage based on number of stacks. Poison stacks in BF are actually not that bad. Pre 4.0, SCHs would get a little nervous about not having a cleanse at that point, but Lily handles the multiple stacks just fine.

I'm not saying that parties can't or don't get overwhelmed in those two dungeons, but until AV, health bars can stay above a newbie healer's threshold if everyone avoids the bad. In AV against Locksmith and Miser's Mistress, nothing can be done about it, and the healer simply has to step up.

You seem to be forgeting one thing though.Stone Vigil and Brayflox are manditory story dungeons.
Cutters cry is optional.A lot of new players wont do that dungeon and as a result even in leveling roulette if they unlocked on another job it's highly unlikely to appear in duty finder.
AV is also optional.
Brayflox and Stone Vigil are the 2 dungeons a new player is guaranted to have to do and they are known as the 2 pre 50 dungeons that new players struggle the most on to progress story.