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[SDaemon]

We dont have metrics for that but we also can see that this official forum is quite splitted on its opinion about blue with some being in the "I wait for release to judge it-camp". The JP forum also seems to be similiar to ours, reddit was also talking quite much about this after fanfest and liveletter, and both times it was again splitted. So it really begs the question on where they go their data from? There was no questionaire on this forum or per mail. How big was their sample? What questions did they ask or what answers did they look for?

They cant have asked the majority of their playerbase because most probably wont even see things like fanfest, liveletters or twitter posts and at least on reddit and here its definitely not 70/30.

(And I do doubt the answers even more since they are only calling it a new job on the special page so who knows how accurate any numbers are)

I can see as well and honestly, aside from the vocal who continually post about it I don't see so heavily a split as you're implying, least not from glossing over the threads from here and reddit and the responses on facebook. I've no reason to believe that their auditing team is so cursory as that though.

They didn't perform a poll. This metric didn't require a questionnaire. Their auditors monitored and collected the responses of people from across social media.

Of course they didn't ask the majority of the playerbase, they didn't ask anyone, it wasn't necessary for what they were doing.

The question and answer pertained to the response to BLUs announcement at the FanFest and the resulting reactions. Why would they collect response data that doesn't pertain to the situation [BLU and its design and people's feelings on it]? I see no reason beyond player generated marketing paranoia to believe that SE would be that deceitful over this without some sort of evidence.

[BillyKaplan]

I see no reason beyond player generated marketing paranoia to believe that SE would be that deceitful over this without some sort of evidence.

Then explain why the patch site doesn't say it's a limited job. Seems kind of important to mention.

[SDaemon]

Then explain why the patch site doesn't say it's a limited job. Seems kind of important to mention.

On a patch site intended to tease upcoming content? Even if they used the term "limited job", unless they devoted excess space to detail what that meant it'd be meaningless.

[BillyKaplan]

On a patch site intended to tease upcoming content? Even if they used the term "limited job", unless they devoted excess space to detail what that meant it'd be meaningless.

The site right now is teasing BLU as a new job. Within the context of XIV that's a very solid concept. BLU does not fall under that concept. Right now, the patch site teases something that will not be delivered in 4.5. It is false advertisement.

[SDaemon]

The site right now is teasing BLU as a new job. Within the context of XIV that's a very solid concept. BLU does not fall under that concept. Right now, the patch site teases something that will not be delivered in 4.5. It is false advertisement.

Very solid concept? What concept do you believe that is?

The patch site is teasing a new job and in 4.5 we're getting a new job.

[BillyKaplan]

Very solid concept? What concept do you believe that is?

An entity within the lore with a pre-established skill-set you equip on your character and run content with. Skills and lore are unlocked via additional quests. Can hit max level cap, which is upgraded with every exception.
And just in case you still found some holes to pick at it, the fact remains they presented BLU as a Limited Job in fanfest, setting it apart from regular jobs, and then proceeded to explain how it differs (DF lock, max level currently at 50).
Saying it's a "Limited job" would require them to add an explanation? Then they should've done exactly that. Because absolutely no one is going to look at that site and think for a second they're getting anything other than what I said at the start of this post.

The patch site is teasing a new job and in 4.5 we're getting a new job.

We're getting a Limited Job. It's really not the same thing. You can argue the language semantics all you want but therein lies the crux of the matter and why so many people here have a hard time believing in that "70% positive feedback" claim. Calling BLU a Job is a lie of omission.

[SDaemon]

An entity within the lore with a pre-established skill-set you equip on your character and run content with. Skills and lore are unlocked via additional quests. Can hit max level cap, which is upgraded with every exception.
And just in case you still found some holes to pick at it, the fact remains they presented BLU as a Limited Job in fanfest, setting it apart from regular jobs, and then proceeded to explain how it differs (DF lock, max level currently at 50).
Saying it's a "Limited job" would require them to add an explanation? Then they should've done exactly that.

You are defining a job as something that must be able to hit max level cap upon release...why? I don't see how that is part of the concept of a job.
Because other than that restriction of yours, BLU fits your concept of a job.

And no, they shouldn't have as it was unnecessary. When people go to unlock BLU, it and the functions around it, will be explained to them in-game. Why would they need to go on an extended explanation on a teaser site over this?

Calling BLU a Job is a lie of omission.

If you choose to define a job as something that can level to 70/80 and join Duty Finder. Neither of those criteria are something I view as intrinsic to a job.

[BillyKaplan]

Because other than that restriction of yours, BLU fits your concept of a job.

And that's why BLU is a Limited Job. Or should I have added "run current content, including MSQ" to the list? Because BLU can't do that either. BLU can't use the Duty Finder either. And the list of Limitations go on.
I didn't see the need to start listing 80% of the game's content that BLU doesn't have access to to show really how they're separate.

When people go to unlock BLU, it and the functions around it, will be explained to them in-game. Why would they need to go on an extended explanation on a teaser site over this?

Because otherwise people are going to unlock BLU and wonder why they can't do all these things that a Job should be able to do. There was a lot of talk in this thread about expectations. Well this is SE actively leading people astray.

[SDaemon]

Can hit max level cap, which is upgraded with every exception.

You didn't answer why you feel that is a requirement to be considered a job.

And that's why BLU is a Limited Job.

They used the word "limited" to denote that BLU would have restrictions the other jobs did not, not to mark it as something not a job. That is why it is limited.

[BillyKaplan]

You didn't answer why you feel that is a requirement to be considered a job.

Because a lower level cap is one of the limitations that make BLU a limited job. You know, that thing SE themselves said it was. A job in XIV can do whatever a limited job can, the other way around doesn't work.