It's gone too far about the mog station SE

[Dyvid]

So when Mog Station was first introduced, Yoshi-P said the money would be used for online infrastructure improve. Since then SE has upgraded / moved their current data centers and are adding a new one 4.5. Seems to me like they are keeping their word, how evil of them...

Oh, please stop with the fake numbers, unless you know the exact cost of operating FFXIV yearly; you're as much in the dark as everyone else. But if you are really curious about owning and operating a data center: https://www.365datacenters.com/portf...-build-vs-buy/

[Adrestia]

So when Mog Station was first introduced, Yoshi-P said the money would be used for online infrastructure improve. Since then SE has upgraded / moved their current data centers and are adding a new one 4.5. Seems to me like they are keeping their word, how evil of them...

Oh, please stop with the fake numbers, unless you know the exact cost of operating FFXIV yearly; you're as much in the dark as everyone else. But if you are really curious about owning and operating a data center: https://www.365datacenters.com/portf...-build-vs-buy/

A) they’re not “building a new datacenter.” First, they’re building a logical cluster. If they were multiple data centers they wouldn’t all be in the same building. Second, they’re poaching existing world servers and only adding redundant shared resources like login servers.

B) This has all been discussed going on a dozen pages. I shouldn’t need to repeat myself because you wanted to come in and snipe a comment without reading the thread.

[Dyvid]

A) they’re not “building a new datacenter.” First, they’re building a logical cluster. If they were multiple data centers they wouldn’t all be in the same building. Second, they’re poaching existing world servers and only adding redundant shared resources like login servers.

B) This has all been discussed going on a dozen pages. I shouldn’t need to repeat myself because you wanted to come in and snipe a comment without reading the thread.

Take it as you want, but unless you actually work in Square Enix's Finance Department and has access to their operating cost, you don't know. Also, from the the Live Letter, they are adding a new data center. Again, I don't work in SE's IT department and can only go off what they tell me......

[Adrestia]

Take it as you want, but unless you actually work in Square Enix's Finance Department and has access to their operating cost, you don't know. Also, from the the Live Letter, they are adding a new data center. Again, I don't work in SE's IT department and can only go off what they tell me......

We don’t need to know their internal operating costs, and here’s why.

Either they’re in line with the rest of the industry, in which case we only have to know what the standard is. My last three employers have been an internet carrier and two software development studios, the first focused on delivery of massive scale web content. I have been involved in these decision making processes and have seen how we’ve shaped our datacenter strategy to compete in today’s world.

OR

They’re not in line with the rest of the industry and are incurring much higher costs due to poor choices. If that’s the case, how long is it justifiable for us to continue paying for those poor choices? The datacenter move they performed for Stormblood was undeniably expensive and difficult, but there are still significant enough lag, stability, and DoS problems for a lot of players, and we’re still being denied basic requests because “server limitations.” Now, they plan to perform a logical reshuffling of the servers in the hopes of social engineering the players into being their load balancing solution. Remember how well that worked with Road to 60 and all the perks for transferring to vacant servers? Yeah not so well.

If they were ponying up the cash to do infrastructure the right way instead of the cheap and easy way, I could at least feel like they were reinvesting an appropriate amount of their profits into improving the game for us. But they’re not, so I don’t even have that.

[Deceptus]

They’re not in line with the rest of the industry and are incurring much higher costs due to poor choices. If that’s the case, how long is it justifiable for us to continue paying for those poor choices? The datacenter move they performed for Stormblood was undeniably expensive and difficult, but there are still significant enough lag, stability, and DoS problems for a lot of players, and we’re still being denied basic requests because “server limitations.” Now, they plan to perform a logical reshuffling of the servers in the hopes of social engineering the players into being their load balancing solution. Remember how well that worked with Road to 60 and all the perks for transferring to vacant servers? Yeah not so well.

I'm really starting to think the "DDoS" excuse is starting to wear thin and it's more likely a server issue they're trying to hide.

Because FFXIV seems go get "Dos-ed" pretty frequenlty if it's true.

I've found whenever I'm troubleshooting a problem it generally follows the following logic:

Once is an issue. Try to fix it asap if it's vital to operations.
Twice is a coincidence. Look for similarities.
Three times is a pattern that really needs looked at. It's time to start digging deep and figure out what's really going on.

[Adrestia]

I'm really starting to think the "DDoS" excuse is starting to wear thin and it's more likely a server issue they're trying to hide.

I mean, in TYOOL Two Thousand and Nineteen, these are one and the same, at least for a company large enough to justify buying their own servers and leasing datacentre space. DoS protection is the responsibility of the service provider (note: not Internet Service Provider. Service as in the game service). If you have a DoS problem or are launching a service that may have one, you rack up one of the commercially available load balancer/security appliances and you do something about it. Shirking the blame to your upstream provider is done by lazy network admins pulling one over on their uneducated bosses or companies that don't care about their clients.

[Ilan]

I mean, in TYOOL Two Thousand and Nineteen, these are one and the same, at least for a company large enough to justify buying their own servers and leasing datacentre space. DoS protection is the responsibility of the service provider (note: not Internet Service Provider. Service as in the game service). If you have a DoS problem or are launching a service that may have one, you rack up one of the commercially available load balancer/security appliances and you do something about it. Shirking the blame to your upstream provider is done by lazy network admins pulling one over on their uneducated bosses or companies that don't care about their clients.

If you would've followed the issues lately you should've read that the ISP got bombed with DDoS attacks and there is nothing what the customer, in this case SE, can do about it. Sure they could switch ISP's but if the ISP's share certain parts of the connections and they are affected it will affect the game again, besides that no one here knows what conditions they have in their contracts which means it could get extremly expensive to change the ISP.

[Adrestia]

We don’t need to know their internal operating costs, and here’s why.

Either they’re in line with the rest of the industry, in which case we only have to know what the standard is. My last three employers have been an internet carrier and two software development studios, the first focused on delivery of massive scale web content. I have been involved in these decision making processes and have seen how we’ve shaped our datacenter strategy to compete in today’s world.

OR

They’re not in line with the rest of the industry and are incurring much higher costs due to poor choices. If that’s the case, how long is it justifiable for us to continue paying for those poor choices? The datacenter move they performed for Stormblood was undeniably expensive and difficult, but there are still significant enough lag, stability, and DoS problems for a lot of players, and we’re still being denied basic requests because “server limitations.” Now, they plan to perform a logical reshuffling of the servers in the hopes of social engineering the players into being their load balancing solution. Remember how well that worked with Road to 60 and all the perks for transferring to vacant servers? Yeah not so well.

If they were ponying up the cash to do infrastructure the right way instead of the cheap and easy way, I could at least feel like they were reinvesting an appropriate amount of their profits into improving the game for us. But they’re not, so I don’t even have that.

I’ll just quote myself instead.

[Metalwrath]

Take it as you want, but unless you actually work in Square Enix's Finance Department and has access to their operating cost, you don't know. Also, from the the Live Letter, they are adding a new data center. Again, I don't work in SE's IT department and can only go off what they tell me......

You should know by now Adrestias posts are facts regardless of having any actual information to back it up.
All they are trying to do is impose their own oppinion on others as the defitinitve truth with their only proof being random posts of 'scientific information by bedroom dwellers' who have nothing better to do than create random conspiracies about gaming.
I dont even have to check which server to know where they are from.The kind of accusations being thrown around only would come from one area as will the people liking their posts.
I wont mention where as this could get me in trouble with mods but you can probably guess for yourselves.
I jsut ignore this posts now because you may aswell be talking to a brick wall.

[Dyvid]

You should know by now Adrestias posts are facts regardless of having any actual information to back it up.
All they are trying to do is impose their own opinion on others as the definitive truth with their only proof being random posts of 'scientific information by bedroom dwellers' who have nothing better to do than create random conspiracies about gaming.
I dont even have to check which server to know where they are from.The kind of accusations being thrown around only would come from one area as will the people liking their posts.
I wont mention where as this could get me in trouble with mods but you can probably guess for yourselves.
I just ignore this posts now because you may as well be talking to a brick wall.

Agreed, there was only one post that had a valid argument being about retainers, everything is meh unless you're a collection purist. I stand by my statements.

I'm against the very idea of a big cash shop for a p2p game. It encourages them to hoard things for the cash shop to push more 2x dipping.

I would be fine with it if we could see the money going into the game. Doesn't seem like the case, this expac had no new race and very lacking glam/ gear with no where near enough interesting emotes to me.
It would make more sense to me if EVERYTHING you buy was account wide. This game is so alt unfriendly.

I disagree here. 4.0 brought big changes in combat, inventory space, new housing wards, Eureka is large, Ivalice raid with guest writer, Yasumi Matsuno (I mention this because his isn't a SE employee), Blue Mage, Data Center / World Visiting, etc.