It's gone too far about the mog station SE

[Dyvid]

So when Mog Station was first introduced, Yoshi-P said the money would be used for online infrastructure improve. Since then SE has upgraded / moved their current data centers and are adding a new one 4.5. Seems to me like they are keeping their word, how evil of them...

Oh, please stop with the fake numbers, unless you know the exact cost of operating FFXIV yearly; you're as much in the dark as everyone else. But if you are really curious about owning and operating a data center: https://www.365datacenters.com/portf...-build-vs-buy/

[LaylaTsarra]

I would buy a lot more if they didn't lock content to one character per account. I for the most part choose not to bite given i have lots of alts.

[Theodric]

To be fair, the game itself isn't really very alt friendly to begin with - and has never really pretended to be.

[LaylaTsarra]

To be fair, the game itself isn't really very alt friendly to begin with - and has never really pretended to be.

No it's not and maybe it should be.

In my case they'd sell a lot more. Be that as it may I'm not holding my breath waiting for them to change their policy. I did buy the motorcycle and the Tifa minion because they were account wide. I'd have certainly passed on the minion if it wasn't.

[Hestzhyen]

I'm probably one of the most anti-cash shop people out there. I grew up with getting the whole shebang when I paid for a game, and it seems ridiculous to me that people are okay with getting bled dry for what used to be part of the base price. But it's not an argument that's worth getting into since people will buy what they want to and people like me will lament that we can't go back to the fairer model.

I think, if we had seen more bang for our buck from this situation so to speak, there would be less animosity all around.. If the Korean and Chinese players had to pay then it only makes it fair to put these items in the cash shop. But like others have said $20 for one outfit unlock for one char is pretty steep. So where are the benefits if the money only goes to XIV?

- We got Eureka, which involved more resource re-alignment than acquisition if the loss of normal content is anything to go by. The pros/cons of the instance can be debated in another thread but on the whole a lot of the playerbase lost something they'd almost assuredly do, and tons of unique assets and systems were created, for something that only a very tiny fraction of the playerbase was expected to use. To me that speaks of some seriously whack priorities and resource mismanagement. (By contrast, Ultimate was also intended for a tiny fraction of players but used recycled art/vfx/motion assets and the mechanical framework for the fights was already there, within the game's existing combat system.)

- We are getting two new shiny datacenters, but it's basically shifting the existing servers around to alleviate population-induced problems. This is not an upgrade. It's not free either- shuffling the worlds and establishing new data centers costs money and the time of technically skilled people that could work on other things. But a lot of players are unhappy or skeptical of the move and don't necessarily see it as a positive thing for SE to spend money on.

- World visit had a very lukewarm reception on the whole. Players will be judging the wisdom of investing resources into this feature soon, but either way it's not a very "sexy" feature like a better glamour system or character creation updates

- Duty Recorder and the mobile app were basically DoA and remain so near the end of SB. I can only say that I hope the investment in those features was small (and the app's mtx are another problem entirely)

- Item bloat and storage in the game is a problem that was temporarily alleviated with increased space in SB, but is now rearing it's head again because of all the items that are added every patch. The problem mysteriously goes away once money is added into the equation in the form of paid retainers, but like another poster said the price of those retainers is almost pure profit (data storage is cheap as heck now). People have been asking for a third free retainer for ages now and YoshiP has said no every time. So no MogStation money going into that.

- We got a lot of minor niche content like Perform, Canals updates, and Gold Saucer games that are nice diversions but not what most people would consider an essential part of what they play the game for. So seeing a lot of resource investment in that is a bit strange. It's not necessarily bad, but it's not the stuff that players will think of when they say "I want new things to do".

- The game is showing it's age by now. It's still nice looking but there's been demand for high-res textures, better graphical fidelity at higher resolutions, and a general overhaul of the base engine so things look more like a game from <current year>. But YoshiP has said flat-out that they have no plans on that front, so no money will be spent on that any time soon.

- Whenever a popular feature is requested 9 times out of 10 it's denied because of server limitations. This has been going on for a while and SE has shared no plans on what, if anything, they're doing about it. This is something people would like SE to throw money at since all sorts of features from more housing to more character customization options could be added if the servers weren't at risk of exploding by implementing nice things. But radio silence is the only response.

In short if money from the cash shop is earmarked for XIV alone and not shared like our sub money is, people want to feel good knowing that the money's going towards something they'd like to see in the game. SB hasn't exactly delivered that from the quantity of "HW: Red Edition" and "Please don't let 5.0 be more of the same" threads floating around here and elsewhere. So the quantity of expensive vanity items keeps increasing but the payoff doesn't seem to be there for lots of folks. I haven't spent a dime on any of the cosmetic fluff and I never will... seeing how the game has basically treaded water for all of SB while the cash shop gets more and more and more added to it makes me feel like SE is frittering away the profits on pet projects or paying the wrong people way too much.

[Adrestia]

So when Mog Station was first introduced, Yoshi-P said the money would be used for online infrastructure improve. Since then SE has upgraded / moved their current data centers and are adding a new one 4.5. Seems to me like they are keeping their word, how evil of them...

Oh, please stop with the fake numbers, unless you know the exact cost of operating FFXIV yearly; you're as much in the dark as everyone else. But if you are really curious about owning and operating a data center: https://www.365datacenters.com/portf...-build-vs-buy/

A) they’re not “building a new datacenter.” First, they’re building a logical cluster. If they were multiple data centers they wouldn’t all be in the same building. Second, they’re poaching existing world servers and only adding redundant shared resources like login servers.

B) This has all been discussed going on a dozen pages. I shouldn’t need to repeat myself because you wanted to come in and snipe a comment without reading the thread.

[ChaseNetwork]

It's not gone too far until you can start buying up-to-date iLvl gear and materia in some fashion.
Those weekly capped tomestones, would you like to buy more? Would you like to reset the weekly counter?
Those weekly raid drops, would you like to buy more? Would you like to reset the weekly counter?
Granted, even this wouldn't be terribly significant, as "pay-to-win" means you are winning at something. Winning at what, capping out before anyone else? Good job, you've capped out. Why are you motivated to continue playing now?
Gear doesn't matter in the Wolves' Den anymore.\
Honestly, it would do SE more harm than good to do that, even without the pay-to-win outrage.
Being able to buy more retainers is honestly more egregious a problem than buying emotes.

[Dyvid]

A) they’re not “building a new datacenter.” First, they’re building a logical cluster. If they were multiple data centers they wouldn’t all be in the same building. Second, they’re poaching existing world servers and only adding redundant shared resources like login servers.

B) This has all been discussed going on a dozen pages. I shouldn’t need to repeat myself because you wanted to come in and snipe a comment without reading the thread.

Take it as you want, but unless you actually work in Square Enix's Finance Department and has access to their operating cost, you don't know. Also, from the the Live Letter, they are adding a new data center. Again, I don't work in SE's IT department and can only go off what they tell me......

[Adrestia]

Take it as you want, but unless you actually work in Square Enix's Finance Department and has access to their operating cost, you don't know. Also, from the the Live Letter, they are adding a new data center. Again, I don't work in SE's IT department and can only go off what they tell me......

We don’t need to know their internal operating costs, and here’s why.

Either they’re in line with the rest of the industry, in which case we only have to know what the standard is. My last three employers have been an internet carrier and two software development studios, the first focused on delivery of massive scale web content. I have been involved in these decision making processes and have seen how we’ve shaped our datacenter strategy to compete in today’s world.

OR

They’re not in line with the rest of the industry and are incurring much higher costs due to poor choices. If that’s the case, how long is it justifiable for us to continue paying for those poor choices? The datacenter move they performed for Stormblood was undeniably expensive and difficult, but there are still significant enough lag, stability, and DoS problems for a lot of players, and we’re still being denied basic requests because “server limitations.” Now, they plan to perform a logical reshuffling of the servers in the hopes of social engineering the players into being their load balancing solution. Remember how well that worked with Road to 60 and all the perks for transferring to vacant servers? Yeah not so well.

If they were ponying up the cash to do infrastructure the right way instead of the cheap and easy way, I could at least feel like they were reinvesting an appropriate amount of their profits into improving the game for us. But they’re not, so I don’t even have that.

[Metalwrath]

Take it as you want, but unless you actually work in Square Enix's Finance Department and has access to their operating cost, you don't know. Also, from the the Live Letter, they are adding a new data center. Again, I don't work in SE's IT department and can only go off what they tell me......

You should know by now Adrestias posts are facts regardless of having any actual information to back it up.
All they are trying to do is impose their own oppinion on others as the defitinitve truth with their only proof being random posts of 'scientific information by bedroom dwellers' who have nothing better to do than create random conspiracies about gaming.
I dont even have to check which server to know where they are from.The kind of accusations being thrown around only would come from one area as will the people liking their posts.
I wont mention where as this could get me in trouble with mods but you can probably guess for yourselves.
I jsut ignore this posts now because you may aswell be talking to a brick wall.