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[Sigma-Astra]

Then stop assuming and start thinking, maybe it will help you realize that Blizzard IV and Fire IV are as mutually exclusive as Inner Beast/Fell Cleave and Steel Cyclone/Decimate.
Therefore, there is literally no good reason for them to require two slots in your hotbars.

I am thinking. There's literally no reason why Fire IV and Blizzard IV need to be consolidated onto one button because you find pressing either one too much work apparently when you're pressing Fire IV more than you're pressing Blizzard IV anyways to begin with.

I bet you're a Black Mage that uses Freeze too.

[Reynhart]

your bars are trainwrecks because you already don't know what you're doing to begin with.

I bet you're a Black Mage that uses Freeze too.

Behold, the very definition of "I don't have any argument so I'll resort to personal attacks to make me look smart".

There is literally no good reason to reduce the BLM rotation like this.

And you mistake "rotation of skills" with "rotation of buttons"...

[Sigma-Astra]

And you mistake "rotation of skills" with "rotation of buttons"...You'd make such a nice test subject for Confucius.

It's not hard to press Swiftcast -> Blizzard 3 -> Enochain -> Blizzard IV -> Fire 3 -> Fire IV.

If we were arguing Dragoon, I'd concede. But, this is all you're literally mostly doing the whole time aside from using some of your other abilities. It's not that much work that you need a mutual exclusive button that does Fire IV and Blizzard IV. Seriously, if BLM is too hard for you, how do you play Dragoon or Red Mage, even Red Mage has more buttons than Black Mage.

Behold, the very definition of "I don't have any argument so I'll resort to personal attacks to make me look smart".

Btw, perhaps you shouldn't start personal attacks with me yourself when your Black Mage is lvl 38 and pretend that you're somehow smarter than the one who actually mains the class.

[Reynhart]

Seriously, if BLM is too hard for you, how do you play Dragoon or Red Mage, even Red Mage has more buttons than Black Mage.

Seriously, why can't you understand that this has nothing to do with easy/hard it is to play a job and only how hotbar slots don't need to be used for skill that you can't use under certain conditions ?
You know, like Forbidden Chakra replace Meditation when you have 5 chakras...Enchanted Moulinet replace Moulinet when you have enough Mana...Heated Split shot replace Split Shot when you have enough heat...or, again, how Fell Cleave replaces Inner Beast under Deliverance...

Btw, perhaps you shouldn't start personal attacks with me yourself when your Black Mage is lvl 38 and pretend that you're somehow smarter than the one who actually mains the class.

This is not personal attack, it's called facts. You have said nothing but "Boo hoo, it's too hard for you because you're bad", proving that you clearly don't know the difference between how you use skills, and how you use buttons.
And I also guess one year and a hal in the forum didn't teach you the concept of main and alt, and that forum characters are not always a good way to see people levels...

But, sure, you must be pretty smart to know that you use Fire IV under Astral Fire and Blizzard IV under Umbral Ice...mindblown !

[Sigma-Astra]

Seriously, why can't you understand that this has nothing to do with easy/hard it is to play a job and only how hotbar slots don't need to be used for skill that you can't use under certain conditions ?
You know, like Forbidden Chakra replace Meditation when you have 5 chakras...Enchanted Moulinet replace Moulinet when you have enough Mana...Heated Split shot replace Split Shot when you have enough heat...or, again, how Fell Cleave replaces Inner Beast under Deliverance...

Oh my gosh! Those sound great for all of those other jobs! But, guess what!?


....Black Mage isn't one of them. It's not a job that has button bloat and it's not a job that needs some of its skills reduced to a single combo button either. If you have a problem with two hotbars, two hotbars, where some jobs have like three hotbars to watch, then you're just looking for an excuse to keep everything on one hotbar because switching seems to be a difficult process.

This is not personal attack, it's called facts.

You have said nothing factual so far regarding this debate besides trying to stuff your opinion down my throat and when you couldn't attack my argument as to why we don't need skills reduced, you resorted towards intellectual personal attacks, of which you're still doing even now. Calling you an ice mage isn't a personal attack, btw, unless you actually are one and took offense in which case then I'm not sorry.

Your opinion regarding the skills aren't facts.

You have said nothing but "Boo hoo, it's too hard for you because you're bad", proving that you clearly don't know the difference between how you use skills, and how you use buttons.

So, what you're telling me is you'll somehow have more skill because you pressed one button less than me if we do the mutual exclusivity for Fire IV and Blizzard IV which is wholly unneeded in PvE. Yea, great rebuttal there. I'm sorry, but reducing an already basic rotation and your main spells into one button doesn't beseech wisdom and empowerment like you want, it speaks of pure laziness.

It's a pointless change for the entire job. It's not smart design, it's taking something that wasn't even necessary in the first place and shoving it into a system that wasn't even broken to begin with. Fix the balancing with the other jobs, fix some of the already useless skills, stop thinking the consolidation method is the "end all, be all" way to fix issues.

And I also guess one year and a hal in the forum didn't teach you the concept of main and alt, and that forum characters are not always a good way to see people levels...

Show me some screens of your BLM hotbars and maybe I'll believe the ol' "Omg guys, I'm just on an alt account" routine everyone uses as an excuse when someone actually does research on their lodestone page and can't come up with a good counter argument.

But, sure, you must be pretty smart to know that you use Fire IV under Astral Fire and Blizzard IV under Umbral Ice...mindblown!

Well, someone on here has to be.

[Nicodemus_Mercy]

I am thinking. There's literally no reason why Fire IV and Blizzard IV need to be consolidated onto one button

I can think of one really good reason. It frees up real estate on my bars. Maybe you don't think there's an issue of available real estate but not everyone agrees with you. Consolidating Fire IV and Blizzard IV into one button does nothing to ease BLM's rotation outside of reduce the required finger gymnastics slightly.

[Sigma-Astra]

I can think of one really good reason. It frees up real estate on my bars. Maybe you don't think there's an issue of available real estate but not everyone agrees with you. Consolidating Fire IV and Blizzard IV into one button does nothing to ease BLM's rotation outside of reduce the required finger gymnastics slightly.

What real estate are we reducing it for though? What other skill or ability are you going to put into that empty space? You're not using several abilities already. Instead of consolidating abilities that have worked fine on their own, we should be focusing on lackluster abilities that do absolutely nothing yet they're there like Freeze.

As for finger gymnastics, your finger isn't really jumping around too much if you've been smart and placed Fire IV and Blizzard IV on the first hotbar and practically almost next to each other. If you put Blizzard IV on a second hotbar, I'd have to wonder if you enjoy making your life difficult for no real purpose.

[Shurrikhan]

What real estate are we reducing it for though? What other skill or ability are you going to put into that empty space?

Maybe an actually functional version of that Freeze spell you keep insulting people for possibly having on their bars?

You're not using several abilities already. Instead of consolidating abilities that have worked fine on their own, we should be focusing on lackluster abilities that do absolutely nothing yet they're there like Freeze.

So, we should fix spells the spells that currently make space an non-issue (because, to take your advice, just don't bind them), but not also make space for them after doing so, despite it costing absolutely nothing to make that space?

You can have both, you realize? You can have functional abilities and a non-redundant button-space. They are not mutually exclusive.

[Seraphor]

Maybe an actually functional version of that Freeze spell you keep insulting people for possibly having on their bars?



So, we should fix spells the spells that currently make space an non-issue (because, to take your advice, just don't bind them), but not also make space for them after doing so, despite it costing absolutely nothing to make that space?

You can have both, you realize? You can have functional abilities and a non-redundant button-space. They are not mutually exclusive.

Consolidating combo's would do nothing for casters like BLM who don't have combos.
And BLM doesn't have button bloat anyway, as useless as Freeze is, it's not wasting space on my hotbar. I still manage to have my expanded xhotbars almost entirely composed of role actions, that I still almost never use in their entirety. I can only say that for BLM and RDM, every other job I find myself having to choose around 3-5 role actions to hotbar.

[Shurrikhan]

Consolidating combo's would do nothing for casters like BLM who don't have combos.

There was no mention of "combos" there...

Not all mutually exclusive actions are combos. Fell Cleave and Inner Beast aren't, yet they're mutually exclusive. Fire IV and Blizzard IV aren't, yet they're mutually exclusive. RDM could, with zero loss to player control, consolidate 2-3 slots (>ZH>RD; Jolt II>Impulse). BLM can consolidate 2 (F4<>B4; LL>BtL).

And BLM doesn't have button bloat anyway, as useless as Freeze is, it's not wasting space on my hotbar. I still manage to have my expanded xhotbars almost entirely composed of role actions, that I still almost never use in their entirety. I can only say that for BLM and RDM, every other job I find myself having to choose around 3-5 role actions to hotbar.

That others jobs are more poorly or bloated-ly made doesn't mean an otherwise well-designed job has to remain laden with what design inefficiencies (again, nothing to do with gameplay, only redundant button-space due to mutually exclusive abilities) it has, to only be considered after all other jobs are paired down in button count (where that may, in their case, require changes to actual gameplay).