New Character in the Ivalice Alliance Raid?

[Vahlnir]

I'm OfFeNdEd YoU'd sAy tHaT.

[Nestama]

Lalafell look like children regardless of what you say. How would a youthful race of shorter viera be anymore of an issue than lalafell?

Also your age point makes little to sense when we have stories of children dealing with messed up stuff all throughout media. The quickest off the top of my head is Harry Potter where he and his friends deal with life and death situations in their first year with every movie/book getting more and more dangerous.

No one is asking for minors to be playable, I don't care what age they are supposed to be, I just would like to see another option for a shorter race. If Lalafell get pass for looking like children why is that concept art suddenly where you draw the line? I honestly believe if Lalafell were being released today there would be outrage at this blatant depiction of children in adult situations.

I already explained how in response to Seraphor.

Three kids (first book) dealing with life and death is a little more believable than an army (exaggerating) of kids running around. Alphinaud and Alisae I give a vague pass because they're sixteen... though I definitely didn't like it when Alphinaud became the 'Captain/Leader' of the Crystal Braves (again, I doubt people would be pleased to have a child/teenager be their superior/captain). Definitely wasn't surprised when that wound up blowing up in his face, because of course it would.

Well that's what the small Viera look like. They're very similar in design to the Hyur children (likely same height), picture linked in response to Seraphor. I would also like there to be another small race, but I'd also like them to not be another cute thing (Lalafells and Au Ra females have that covered enough). Make them D&D Dwarves or something.

Honestly, I really wish the original playable races weren't just altered FFXI races. If Lalafell were being released right now, I'd also say "no thanks" and then say "D&D Dwarves instead please" if they don't already exist.

[Shougun]

Keep in mind that just because we have Frans imported model, it does not necessarily mean her features will be representative of her race. Take it with a grain of salt.
Examples: Raubahn, Lyse and Merlwyb. Balthier if he shows up in CS, Alma and Joffrey, Lightning's knees, Shantotto. :3

Speculation is fun, but don't assume its fact juuuuuust yet.

Terrifying but entirely very real reality lol. "Yay special feet" SE: "Oh that's just Fran". I'm jealous of quite a few NPC who seem to be breaking the rules, I want in >.>.

[Ssmiley_Bjakkzz]

Lol we have naked fetishes of miqute cats, au ra lizards and roe cows and now we get viera rabbits.
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[kikix12]

They're talking about how they look overall. Most playable races in this game are all different flavours of humans, with only a couple being able to tell what they are at a quick glance(...)

I'm sorry, but the only way something wouldn't be a "flavor of human" would be if they weren't humanoid at all. Even monkeys are a "flavor of humans". Their difference is tails (Miqo'te and Au'ra have tails as well), fur, mouth and a hunched back posture. Au'ra instead of fur have limited scales and in place of different mouth they have horns. Miqo'te have only their ears though.

Roegadyn is actually the second most human of all the races (behind Hyur, duh). It have literally zero anatomical differences from a human. It's big, but there are big humans as well. It's muscular...yeah. The only possible difference is that Roegadyn are both at once...something that is really, really rare in humans as our biology makes significant height a health hazard. Not something that you want to deal with when lifting hundredths of kilograms.

Au Ra could have been way better if SE went with the dragon/demon concept art(...)

Well, I can agree here. If the dragon-like concept art was implemented I wouldn't be a Miqo'te. But cannot help the "moe" culture in a Japanese game.

The two are very similar in appearance if you don't look hard enough, or angle the camera a certain way).

I'm sorry, but I can see the difference between the races at a distance from just about any angle, except if they have glamour that covers them significantly. The differences are really large. More important, even the faces are different. Each race have their own facial structure, and by facial structure I mean their eyes positioning, shape, the shape of face etc. Even if you remove the ears and leave only the outline of a face you can tell which race a character belongs to.

Point is, you wouldn't even tell a difference between a human and an ixal if the latter wore heavy armor or robes. Humanoid is humanoid. And the current races do not have significant differences (other than Lalafells), but they are clear and all-around enough to make them "varied races"...or rather species. Race is a difference between highlander and midlander.

[Atlas-04]

I already explained how in response to Seraphor.

Three kids (first book) dealing with life and death is a little more believable than an army (exaggerating) of kids running around. Alphinaud and Alisae I give a vague pass because they're sixteen... though I definitely didn't like it when Alphinaud became the 'Captain/Leader' of the Crystal Braves (again, I doubt people would be pleased to have a child/teenager be their superior/captain). Definitely wasn't surprised when that wound up blowing up in his face, because of course it would.

Glad you finally agree that kids have the potential to handle serious situations and if you hate to see an "army" of kids running around its already possible to watch eight 3' tall kids curb stomp primals into the ground.

And the crystal braves didn't fail just cause he was 16. Using my Harry Potter example again, at the age of 15 he created, trained, and lead in battle a wizard squad. They may have been fellow students but given the accomplishments the WoL has done, people would still rally behind them even if they were a kid. Don't think your GC squad is just gonna up and leave.

I would also like there to be another small race, but I'd also like them to not be another cute thing (Lalafells and Au Ra females have that covered enough). Make them D&D Dwarves or something.

Au Ra do not classify as cute the way you can say lalafell do, they fall right along side Miqo'te in the hot/sexy category imo. We only have one race that is "cute". What we have is an over abundance of humans with animal ears and tails, at least being short adds some variety to it. Tall viera and elezen are going to share a very similar body type.

[Nestama]

Again, one to three is fine (though I seem to recall Ron panicking with the Devil's Snare and not at all being comfortable with Aragog and his children. Granted the latter is due to his phobia of spiders, but I wouldn't be surprised if this particular event left him traumatised and in need of therapy... also that Wizard Chess moment in the first film really bothers me. I feel the game should have ended once Ron moved into position, since that was technically a checkmate), but 100-1000 11-12 year olds? No thank you. Alphinaud and Alisae are barely enough, despite being 16.

Alphinaud was full of himself (as some teenagers tend to be), which allowed people like Teledji and Ilberd to exploit the Crystal Braves. If he were older, he'd likely consider the possibility of someone using the Crystal Braves for their own nefarious deeds (especially after the whole Eline situation) and would have done thorough background checks on the people joining (I may be wrong, but I seem to recall him asking us to just ask any random adventurer if they'd be willing to join the Crystal Braves). This kinda reminds me of the final few chapters of the fifth book where Voldemort exploits Harry Potters 'vision' and making him think someone he loves is in danger... but then turns out to just be a trick and everything that wasn't expected to go wrong, go wrong in the worst ways for Harry.

Eye of the beholder with what people consider as cute. However there are people who have said Au Ra (and Miqo'te) females are cute, which is why I put them into the same cute category as Lalafell.

[Ilan]

Some people, Like the Australian government, are unable to discern the difference between "small adult" and "child".

Thats probably because the sun burns to hard on their heads all the time.

I'm not sure who exactly you are responding to but I think Seraphor is saying that just because a design has a youthful look, doesn't mean it's a child. If not that is what I'd like to say. Lalafell have a youthful appearance but are obviously not children. I'm not sure what the intention is for the one Viera picture but they could easily be adults, and I think there should be two clans.

Lala's don't even look youthful that all depends on how you create them and since we are very limited in our choices when it comes to character creation you could even say that every race looks youthful. Things like small don't resemble children or teenagers.

[Iscah]

And the current races do not have significant differences (other than Lalafells), but they are clear and all-around enough to make them "varied races"...or rather species. Race is a difference between highlander and midlander.

Not by this game's terminology. The different races are, well, races. Highlander and Midlander are clans of the Hyuran race.

And they do seem to all be one greatly varied species, or closely related enough to interbreed. We have Elezen/Midlander, Garlean/Highlander and (according to legend) Raen/Eastern-Hyur characters.

Though I'd argue on the "monkeys are a flavour of human" point, because they seem to be well outside the realm of what defines "human" in this game, or even the broader circle that includes beastmen and 'spoken' monsters. (The lorebook classifies them as beastkin, but does note that sasquatches seem to be highly intelligent.)

And I would expect you could definitely tell the difference between a human and an eight-foot hunchbacked birdman, regardless of what armour they're wearing!


Also you put the wrong person on that last quote.

Au Ra could have been way better if SE went with the dragon/demon concept art (I think back before HW came out, I claimed the males were pretty much Elezen with horns and females Miqo'te with horns. The two are very similar in appearance if you don't look hard enough, or angle the camera a certain way).

I think the exact resemblance depends on the choice of facial features - there will be overlap but you can also make them look quite different - especially if you make use of race-specific features and hairstyles instead of aiming for the best "cute anime girl" look that might happen to have horns or cat ears.

That said, I do agree there are enough races in that style that it would seem like a waste to have another with a similar appearance and 'human-like' height. (Though if the Feol can be shorter and with not-quite-human faces, that would be better.)

I disagree that the male Au Ra are just "Elezen with horns" though. Even without the scales and horns, they're built quite differently, with a very broad chest and shoulders, and quite different faces.

The ears are something I have concerns about; specifically with hats, hoods and helmets. Will they stick out through hat/helmet holes, will they clip through them or worse, be confined in "ear socks?"
Or even more worse, will they be lazy and just hide them completely (removing the one thing that would make them easy to tell what they are)?

I expect they will use the same hat models as Miqo'te, for a base at least.

But yes, ear socks are the bane of... well, finding hats to match certain costumes for my Elezen alt. I'd be maybe okay with it if they'd thought to make them scale based on the ear length setting, but they seem to be modelled one-size-fits-all for the longest possible option.

That heavy-armoured Feol character you posted earlier might be an example of what to do? As much as the helmets look ugly with giant earpieces, that's ultimately not going to be your top concern when the alternative is leaving your giant ears exposed in battle.

Just trying to see it from a point where there is no way of making something like animal-like feet and features that would need their own models of gear cuz we all know that's not gonna happen :'(

I have to wonder. Obviously they'd need to make new versions of each shoe model, but could it be a fairly cut-and-paste job? Take each existing shoe model and replace the foot section with the Viera-specific version?

I also wondered, given the rumour that there would also be a Ronso race added - maybe they would deem it too much work to be worthwhile for just one race, but what if you had two new races that have that foot shape...?

Might be useful to monitor Nicole Fantl's iMDb entry - if they use her for Fran's English voice it may be listed there before 5.0 comes out. It's too early for them to be recording voiced cutscenes for 5.0 but would have been a nice tip-off if there had already been an entry related to that scene upcoming in 4.5. But it appears the 4.5 scene is either going to be text only, or another voice actor.

But if she's only appearing in the Ivalice plotline, it's not that likely she'll continue to be involved in the game beyond her appearance there, unless they end up tying those quests back into MSQ.

I dunno if the Lalafell child in that Christmas event was a child or not, but we've yet to hear if it was a Lalafell pretending to be a child, or see what Lalafell children look like.

From the side stories, we have a picture of thirteen-year-old Pipin, looking much the same as he does now (aged 25).

There's also that sidequest with the Doman Braves in Mor Dhona where we confronted a family of Lalafell thieves (can't remember if really a family or pretending) - either way, assuming the "son" and "daughter" actually were children, they looked the same age/size as their "parents".

The concept art for the small Viera are very clearly children, though. Very similar in design to the Hyur kids, in fact.

That doesn't make them "clearly children", it makes them clearly characters who look like (Hyuran) children.

[kikix12]

Again, one to three is fine(...)

I think you don't really know much about mental growth if you think that one to three is fine, but an army is not.

Children only begin growing their mental abilities. They act mostly by instinct for many years of their lives. That is why 13-14 years old teenagers are very interested and open for sexuality. That's their instincts driving them to that as their bodies are at that point (on average) capable of and getting ready for procreation. That however also means that children are FAR MORE herd-minded than adults. If there are three kids, they'll be scared out of their mind. If there's an army of kids, they'll be blinded by their numbers and with just one to "lead" them, they'll jump at whatever threatens them. It's natural instinct of all herd animals, humans included, which many adults slowly lose due to getting arrogant and self-centered during their growth period.

No thank you. Alphinaud and Alisae are barely enough, despite being 16.

You also seem to think that 17 (or 15, 16?!) years and 364 days old person is still immature and prone to trauma, then the next time sun rises to increase that years number by one...they magically become adults and are fully able to cope with mature stuff. No, that's not how stuff works.

By law, people get most or all of their legal rights at age of 18, typically. Some rights are given sooner (sexual rights are given sooner in many places of the world, for example) some rights are given later (to be a politician you need to pass a higher age line, same for smoking or alcohol in certain parts of the world). But most are at 18. Why?! Where did that 18 come from?!

From statistics. By the age of 18 MOST people finished maturing mentally and were given, through school, most of the knowledge they need to manage on their own. Well, in theory anyway. But that means that most people actually are mentally mature years before that. That's part of the equation when considering whether a 16 or 17 year old criminal is tried as an child or as an adult. If they are shown to be sufficiently mature, they will be tried as adults.

Alphinaud was full of himself (as some teenagers tend to be), which allowed people like Teledji and Ilberd to exploit the Crystal Braves.

Alphinaud was full of himself as most people tend to be, period. I know countless adults that are full of themselves. That have nothing to do with age, it's how one is raised. Alphinaud was a sheltered "noble" child that had whatever he wanted, it seems. He never before that burnt on the wall called "life". Sheltered, spoiled children almost always grow to be overconfident, egocentric adults.

As for Crystal Braves being exploited, that was literally bad writing. There were many people, adult ones, including the ones like that guy with eyepatch that is supposed to be a pro at gathering information, that were there all the time. They overlooked ABSOLUTELY BLATANT signs of treason from the very beginning all the way to the end. In real life the exploitation of Crystal Braves wouldn't ever pass the first two or three quests, that's how obvious it was there was something off. The same people conveniently finding new trails, only for those new trails to conveniently being erased before anyone else got to them?! Seriously, can there be something more fishy than that?!

(...)and would have done thorough background checks on the people joining (I may be wrong, but I seem to recall him asking us to just ask any random adventurer if they'd be willing to join the Crystal Braves).

Can you really say that with a straight face considering that it's exactly how many armies in real life are made?! How political parties are formed?! How companies look for employees?! It's easy to admonish someone for their mistakes after they are made, but do you even realize how many people repeatedly make such mistakes even when they would have admonished them if someone else did?!


Nothing of what you said have anything to do with "being a child". Risking ones life may be a traumatic experience to anyone, regardless of age. On the other hand, there are many "fighting" kids in gangs murdering, selling illicit substances, stealing, torturing, threatening, raping, kidnapping then laughing in the face of police while spitting on the dead. People that don't see that reality, blinded by the blanket statements of "protect the kids!" are causing more harm than good to the children themselves, on top of the adults.

Children, REAL children, need to be "protected". But that does not mean "sheltered" either. It means that they need to burn on smaller stuff to avoid larger problems in the future. That they need to learn of many possible ways of life so as to pick the one best for them...because there's no universal "one size fits them all".

Not by this game's terminology. The different races are, well, races. Highlander and Midlander are clans of the Hyuran race.

To be honest...not by most games terminology. The terms of "race", "species" and "clan" have been butchered some time in the past then just about every future title copied that butchery. Apparently IT specialists don't follow biology classes too closely.

As for the monkeys...I meant real life monkeys. Humanoids are humanoids. If you put suitably covering clothes on them they will resemble one another. You may be hard-pressed to mistake a gorilla for a human...but smaller monkeys?! A coat, a cap, pants and shoes and teach them to walk straighter than they normally do and from far away you'll mistake them for humans. The differences are bigger than the stuff in the game, yes. But ultimately they are still "a flavor of humans".

Also...thanks for the quote. Honestly I have no idea how on earth I could have changed the quote...Well, in my defense, I am recently sleep deprived, keh...