Are Blizzard II, and Freeze useful at all?

[CorbinDallas]

You shouldn't even be using Fire 2 at 70 to be honest, iirc it only trumps Flare in damage once it hits more than 16(?) targets, which is literally impossible because aoes cap at 16. Just skip the F2 and go straight into Flare spam.

[Transient_Shadow]

You shouldn't even be using Fire 2 at 70 to be honest, iirc it only trumps Flare in damage once it hits more than 16(?) targets, which is literally impossible because aoes cap at 16. Just skip the F2 and go straight into Flare spam.

this is true but I saw a rotation tutorial saying to use the first two umbral hearts on fire 2 then triple cast 3 flares

[Thatusernameistaken]

this is true but I saw a rotation tutorial saying to use the first two umbral hearts on fire 2 then triple cast 3 flares

I don't have much experience with BLM outside of PotD, but I can tell you that rotation is probably wrong. Your main AoE abilities are probably going to be Flare, Thunder IV, and Foul. As for B2 and Freeze, I have no idea when those skills would give you more dps than those three.

[Maero]

this is true but I saw a rotation tutorial saying to use the first two umbral hearts on fire 2 then triple cast 3 flares

That would be a very early SB tutorial (that is my guess) and is no longer in use.

I have not been in PVP for ages so not sure if freeze still has it's use, in PVE it does not (well maybe Eureka it does i guess?)
Balance Discord i am sure would have up to date guides or players that would be willing to help you out.
Sadly after around 5 years of being a blm main i quit in early SB in favour of a Red Mage

[zuzu-bq]

They're both very niche spells that serve basicallly the same purpose of hitting a weak aoe right before enemies die, the difference being the speed they're cast. Before Stormblood change of Enochian Freeze had a special niche of being able to precast it before something spawns for free damage, you can't do that efficiently anymore.

[SumThanatos]

Apparently freeze 2 is losing the bind skill, so it's useless in its entirety now. More so than before.
But it seems they're adding skills to Freeze.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IkyewIaQy8 and skip to 1:41

Not related to this thread, but it looks like they made Flare worse if it's true about the 10K mana cap.

[Rongway]

But it seems they're adding skills to Freeze.

Freeze will add an umbral heart, and since you only need one to double flare, you'll be able to cast Freeze for AoE damage and a heart instead of casting Blizzard IV for single target damage, a heart, and two hearts you won't get to use.

Not related to this thread, but it looks like they made Flare worse if it's true about the 10K mana cap.

All spells' costs will be recalibrated for a 10k cap, so I don't know how you mean Flare will be worse for it.