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    Holy spam can stun, yes...

    But then, SCH (with 3 aetherflow stacks) have 3 ogcd lustrates that heal for a hefty amount plus the faerie healing while it Miasma 2's the packs of enemies.

    Also, I have no idea how people think WHM is the "easy healer"... Between SCH's Lustrates, Indomitability and Faerie off-healing, I really feel bummed at the "raw healing potency" of WHM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raikai View Post
    Also, I have no idea how people think WHM is the "easy healer.
    This. Unless your tank is crazy squishy. Admittedly I only run expert roulette for the most part now a days but I find it way easier on SCH. Adlo, excog, prepull and faery... done. Might need to heal the tank every now and then (rare), or if they’re a little squishy but otherwise it’s all dps. And miasma 2 instant cast is so much easier to do than holy 3h cast spam when mobs are dishing out aoes.

    In addition to this I find that holy spam stun can be detrimental when tanks want to make everyone’s life easier by stunning specific mobs.
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    Also, I have no idea how people think WHM is the "easy healer.
    - No pets, cards, stances or class-designs to consider seeing as Lillies can be safely ignored - it's literally just you, the health bars and the enemies.
    - A kit with minimal 'ramp up' to hit peak. Assize/Holy/DoTs/Stone isn't exactly hard to execute, made easier by multiple HotS to reduce healing requirement.
    - Two strong oGCDs - if you're levelling up or spamming dungeons like OP suggests, these will be very handy for the inevitable tanks in gear 30-100il below the norm who think they're multi-pulling gods.
    - No mana concerns once Thin Air and Lucid are on the table. Even AST's levelling up will have to consider holding Ewer on the road to max, whereas getting TA+Lucid on a WHM is GG to mana-issues indefinitely.

    You can bang on about ease of pets, better damage overall and all those fancy details - but the majority of those regard min/maxing or later content, whereas the OP has asked about levelling up in dungeons. I can't speak for SCH, which I levelled up to 30 before I puked, but as a WHM main who recently levelled up AST (which was enjoyable, albeit frequent need to hold Ewers from time to time), WHM always was and likely always will be the smoothest ride, just not necessarily the strongest.
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    WHM is the least gear dependent healer. Makes for the smoothest leveling for sure. But OP did mention farming tomes for gear so I can only assume we’re talking about 70 dungeons.
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    all healers are great for speed runs. However! Your ability to dps depends on if your tank is able to mitigate damage effectively. if you're trying to keep your tank alive then you won't get much deeps done.

    That being said healer ques are the best imo. you can spam dungeons like potd or hoh
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    Quote Originally Posted by EaMett View Post
    But OP did mention farming tomes for gear so I can only assume we’re talking about 70 dungeons.
    Clearly, the best solution is to farm without a healer then!
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    Do my eyes deceive me? DPS using Erase? Today truly IS a joyous day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Erakir View Post
    Do my eyes deceive me? DPS using Erase? Today truly IS a joyous day.
    I use it a lot as RDM
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raikai View Post
    But then, SCH (with 3 aetherflow stacks) have 3 ogcd lustrates that heal for a hefty amount plus the faerie healing while it Miasma 2's the packs of enemies.
    Aetherflow needs to be used for more then just 3 ogcd lustrates. Before the tank pulls on SCH, I aldo and cast excog. That's one stack down, then during the pull I use Miasma I and Bio II throw down my shadowflare and make sure I use bane to spread my dots. All while weaving the oGCD into places it can fit. That's 2 stacks down. If you have 3 oGCD lustrates because you aren't using excog a basic spell to help you DPS more, sorry but you are a bad Scholar.

    Edit:This is compared to WHM which can just cast a couple of regens and spam Holy without worrying about their mana with Thin Air.

    Quote Originally Posted by EaMett View Post
    And miasma 2 instant cast is so much easier to do than holy 3h cast spam when mobs are dishing out aoes. In addition to this I find that holy spam stun can be detrimental when tanks want to make everyone’s life easier by stunning specific mobs.
    Miasma II has a potency of 100 and it doesn't have a stun attached to heavily reduce the damage a tank takes. Holy starts with a potency of 200, has a stun (amazing), and doesn't get reduced to 100 potency until the 6th enemy. It can also be combined with presence of mind for even faster stuns and more milage out of Thin Air.

    I have never ever heard a tank complain about Holy Stunning a mob they wanted to stun, this seems so far fetched it's probably made up. If that fool of tank does exist, does he also get mad at the Melee DPS classes for stunning targets?
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    Last edited by Ftail; 12-05-2018 at 09:53 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ftail View Post
    This is compared to WHM which can just cast a couple of regens before the pull and spam Holy without worrying about their mana with Thin Air.
    ?
    On what planet do you live on where you can put up regens before a pull? On trash this would just be silly, the tank would hate you. Problematic even if you tried to stay right on top of the tank. On bosses, it would be a good way to move the boss out of position or take an attack to the face. Most tanks will remove regens on them when doing trash pulls. Not to say WHM doesn't have nice tools but pre HoTing before the pulls isn't one of them.
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