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    Quote Originally Posted by RopeDrink View Post
    [...] but at no point in any Burn run as a WHM (of which I've done many) has anyone even considered complaining about me annihilating all those massive pulls with Holy [...]
    This was my point. No one is going to complain. Also you say it isn't detrimental but holy spamming those worms immunizes them within seconds of the pull. If your two dps are melee lets see how much they enjoy having to run out of range to avoid getting hit. When I ran as WHM I would tell my melee to just stand in those big aoes so we could burn through the packs faster. As SCH they actually AoE manage more than you would expect.

    All of this is relative to how fast the packs burn. The faster, the less immunization to stun is an issue. But in my experience it's quite rare for packs to burn all that quickly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raikai View Post
    Also, I have no idea how people think WHM is the "easy healer.
    This. Unless your tank is crazy squishy. Admittedly I only run expert roulette for the most part now a days but I find it way easier on SCH. Adlo, excog, prepull and faery... done. Might need to heal the tank every now and then (rare), or if they’re a little squishy but otherwise it’s all dps. And miasma 2 instant cast is so much easier to do than holy 3h cast spam when mobs are dishing out aoes.

    In addition to this I find that holy spam stun can be detrimental when tanks want to make everyone’s life easier by stunning specific mobs.
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    Also, I have no idea how people think WHM is the "easy healer.
    - No pets, cards, stances or class-designs to consider seeing as Lillies can be safely ignored - it's literally just you, the health bars and the enemies.
    - A kit with minimal 'ramp up' to hit peak. Assize/Holy/DoTs/Stone isn't exactly hard to execute, made easier by multiple HotS to reduce healing requirement.
    - Two strong oGCDs - if you're levelling up or spamming dungeons like OP suggests, these will be very handy for the inevitable tanks in gear 30-100il below the norm who think they're multi-pulling gods.
    - No mana concerns once Thin Air and Lucid are on the table. Even AST's levelling up will have to consider holding Ewer on the road to max, whereas getting TA+Lucid on a WHM is GG to mana-issues indefinitely.

    You can bang on about ease of pets, better damage overall and all those fancy details - but the majority of those regard min/maxing or later content, whereas the OP has asked about levelling up in dungeons. I can't speak for SCH, which I levelled up to 30 before I puked, but as a WHM main who recently levelled up AST (which was enjoyable, albeit frequent need to hold Ewers from time to time), WHM always was and likely always will be the smoothest ride, just not necessarily the strongest.
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    WHM is the least gear dependent healer. Makes for the smoothest leveling for sure. But OP did mention farming tomes for gear so I can only assume we’re talking about 70 dungeons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EaMett View Post
    But OP did mention farming tomes for gear so I can only assume we’re talking about 70 dungeons.
    Clearly, the best solution is to farm without a healer then!
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    Do my eyes deceive me? DPS using Erase? Today truly IS a joyous day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Erakir View Post
    Do my eyes deceive me? DPS using Erase? Today truly IS a joyous day.
    I use it a lot as RDM
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    all healers are great for speed runs. However! Your ability to dps depends on if your tank is able to mitigate damage effectively. if you're trying to keep your tank alive then you won't get much deeps done.

    That being said healer ques are the best imo. you can spam dungeons like potd or hoh
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    Even if AST and SCH pull more DPS, WHM wins dungeon mowing with assize alone. Though this is more due to preference. That instant 300 potency with no dmg reduction regardless of number of targets, and also respectable range is just too good, and feels good to use and weave between gcds. If you're like me, and enjoy being a little too close in melee range for comfort, Assize is like the most yummy pudding ever.

    So I would just take the healer you feel the most comfortable with. For me it's usually WHM because on top of my love for Assize, it's a more basic healer that doesn't have to micro manage anything.
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