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    WigandHellscream's Avatar
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    Healer for speed running dungeons

    I am going to level my healers next. Wich one is currently best for speed farming dungeons for tomes and gear? I have been gone for a while and is unsure about their current state.
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    In raid environment, SCH and AST are the current meta, but I believe WHM is still the strongest option for dungeons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jollyy5 View Post
    In raid environment, SCH and AST are the current meta, but I believe WHM is still the strongest option for dungeons.
    WHM is only really best in fights when you have early and strong mob AoEs to stun that would otherwise force your melee out and thereby disrupt AoEing, which are few even in the instances that have them at all. In any other situation, WHM is the worst speed-runner, even if not by a huge margin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shurrikhan View Post
    WHM is only really best in fights when you have early and strong mob AoEs to stun that would otherwise force your melee out and thereby disrupt AoEing, which are few even in the instances that have them at all. In any other situation, WHM is the worst speed-runner, even if not by a huge margin.
    Depends on the dungeon. AST has an instant stun, but WHM has a constant stun for at least 2 gcds before they become immune for a time. Assize is also instant 300 potency on all targets within range, and that is something no other healer has. This is extremely beneficial in dungeons when low HP adds swarm in, which is common in dungeons. You can argue Miasma 2 and Earthly star all day, but WHM will rid of them faster each and every time. Especially if you add a SC+holy in there on top of assize.

    AST and SCH overall DPS might be higher, but I am curious about their burst damage, which seems to be strongly in favor of WHM. And overall DMG don't mean dick when the fights aren't long enough to make them an argument. And we're talking dungeons here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jollyy5 View Post
    In raid environment, SCH and AST are the current meta, but I believe WHM is still the strongest option for dungeons.
    No, this has changed for a while now. SCH outdoes WHM by quite a bit while AST does more so long as you have Lightspeed up and extend it.

    That being said, I do feel like it's more simple to holy spam and assize with WHM, it's just not the strongest anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Exiled_Tonberry View Post
    No, this has changed for a while now. SCH outdoes WHM by quite a bit while AST does more so long as you have Lightspeed up and extend it.

    That being said, I do feel like it's more simple to holy spam and assize with WHM, it's just not the strongest anymore.
    I figured mobs in dungeons wouldn't live long enough for SCH to squeeze all they can out of Bane and Miasma II, and that Chain Stratagem wouldn't be as strong with only 4 players, even less so on groups, but I'll take your word for it.
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    Even without the full extent of dots its still better. Miasma II spam is really powerful. I used to run all my dungeons as WHM but no longer do that, SCH streamlines it way more
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    I prefer WHM in the earlier dungeons, because Scholar is boring when you only attack and EOS can heal everything. Also, enemies die so fast you can't do much with your DOTs. AST is also boring because you don't have the fun cards yet. It basically has the same abilities as the WHM.

    Around level 40, I prefer Scholar. Around 50-60, I prefer AST.

    I have always found WHM to be the easiest though if you want to get used to healing.
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    I'd like to add here that Holy also has a stun component to it so it adds to the mitigation available, making it a more useful tool when you combine both the offensive and defensive capabilities of the spell.

    Personally, I feel all healers could speed run each dungeon equally as effectively, it's just a matter of your comfort with the kits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghishlain View Post
    I'd like to add here that Holy also has a stun component to it so it adds to the mitigation available, making it a more useful tool when you combine both the offensive and defensive capabilities of the spell.

    Personally, I feel all healers could speed run each dungeon equally as effectively, it's just a matter of your comfort with the kits.
    This is also true. While I just said that SCH it's better at speedrunning a dungeon, I personally can't dish out that sort of DPS without having the tank in mortal peril as a SCH.
    SCH is on paper the best, but if you're more comfortable on WHM or AST you'll have a faster time with them.
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