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  1. #21
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    kikix12's Avatar
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    Seraphitia Faro
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    Quote Originally Posted by JBee View Post
    I think having a limited amount of inventory room adds a depth to player choices - to keep people from being ehoarders. If you want to make a sword, you may not have every ingot possible all the time... Or the ores, failing that. So there is a need to play to get that item - from other players or from the world itself. Keep the cogs of the economy grinding.
    Yes, it does add that bit of "realism" and "logic". However, only if there is such a thing as storage chest that is far more capable.

    After all, what would stop you in real life to rent an apartment and filling it up completely with more or less junk?! Nothing. So there should be nothing of the sort for virtual characters either. Limited personal inventory means that the housing/town/personal faction inventory/whatever should be that much higher to compensate.

    Ultimately the amount of inventory space needs to allow for some limited hoarding while being sufficiently high to meet the regular needs of all the classes available. In other games that's usually one, in this game that's fifteen, soon three more. This game does allow for that if you stick to War/Magic classes...but the moment you seriously enter the Land/Hand classes the basic inventory is just too small.


    That being said...ten retainers is way more than enough. If someone have problems with that amount of space then they should organize it. The game should not allow unlimited space after all, and 1400! extra spaces (from eight extra retainers) is way over what should be enough for even a semi-focused use. You shouldn't stack items for rare crafts after all. Only for the common ones, plus the rarest materials.
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  2. #22
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    Sigma Alpheratz
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    Faerie
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    Just double the inventory space for characters, retainers and saddlebags mr. Producer, I'm sick of reorganizing my inventories, otherwise I'll have no other option but fire all of my extra retainers and be done with the whole mess!...


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    They can also allow us to open up to four retainer inventories at once, if not more to simply "drag and drop" from one to another to make reorganizing much simpler!...
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    Last edited by SigmaOZ; 12-04-2018 at 04:45 AM.

  3. #23
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    Kurumii Tokisakii
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    Shiva
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    Quote Originally Posted by kikix12 View Post
    There is no space limit for key items. The slots for them are created as need arises.

    What you see when you open the key items bags is just the UI copied from the inventory. Those are NOT usable inventory slots that the game remembers. The only slots that actually "exist" are the ones filled with items. That is different from normal inventory where they are all apparently accounted for at all times.

    Yes. However, Final Fantasy XIV also have the most usable items from all games I have come across. The problem is that there is no glamour log (which exists in many games removing the need to ever take slots for glamour) and the crafting is filled with tons of materials that are useful only for one, maybe two recipes, and are useless trash otherwise. There is however to way to easily search what the item can be used for. No recipe log for materials that would show you what recipes the material is used in. So there is no way to know whether it's something you can actually have a use for, seeing as most of the older items are rather trash once you outlevel them (which happens so fast that they may be simply trash to begin with).

    There is a need to revise the inventory issues, but frankly, it's not the number of slots. It's the compilation of the actual items.
    Final Fantasy doesn't have much more items than other games its just the glamour system that is bad.
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    Rasler-heios Nabradia
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    I understand the need to store everything... from gears for glamours, to crafting materials, to currencies just in case you want to buy an old gear, to stuff that might be needed in the future, to quest and rare items... I used to hoard but with three retainers, a saddlebag and an already expanded armoury and inventory, managing them is already tedious, let alone doubling and having 20 retainers.... so I cleaned up and now I have space, controlling and purging from time to time... I also played other MMOs ad I do agree that what we have is already extremely generous... Of course if one is willing to cash out for extra space that is one’s choice... 1 additional retainer for me is enough though....
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  5. #25
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilan View Post
    Final Fantasy doesn't have much more items than other games its just the glamour system that is bad.
    I have played extensively at least five MMO games (fifteen years is a lot of time to forget such stuff), tried bit of several others. None had as many usable items as Final Fantasy XIV, not by a long shot. With much smaller inventories I never had as many issues, even glamour aside where applicable. I'm not denying the possibility of there being other games with tons of items, but they are more likely in minority, not majority. I would've come across one of em otherwise.
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    Fawkes Macleod
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    I've played other MMOs and I don't think what we have is generous at all. We've had very little free inventory expansion, we primarily have extremely greedy retainer rentals and app subscriptions. Other MMOs typically sell extra space to you for a one time fee, they don't make you pay twice as much for your subscription just to have all the slots you can.
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    Fynlar Eira
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    40 more inventory slots, 10 more slots in each section of the armoury chest (that's what, 120 potential total? You're probably unlikely to make use of all of it due to the equipment type restrictions, so we can be generous and call it closer to 80-90), and the 70 slot chocobo saddlebag is "very little" free inventory expansion to you?
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    Last edited by Fynlar; 12-04-2018 at 08:24 AM.

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    Masekase Hurricane
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    Louisoix
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caitlinzulu View Post
    I see it this way. The game cant handle 100 000 extra retainers from giving everyone a free one, but the game can handle the extra retainer for the 20 000 people buying them.
    Numbers are just to explain my point not actual players.
    I know your figures are fake but even this argument to me doesn't hold up. What if they all had 10 retainers isn't that the same server load as the 100k having the extra one? I don't believe them with the whole we cant give people more retainers due to the server excuse. They have used this since they added 1 additional and now people can possibly have 10 plus an extra saddle bag. It's a cash grab plain and simple.

    Players should've got an extra retainer per expansion.
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    Last edited by Masekase_Hurricane; 12-04-2018 at 08:48 AM.

  9. #29
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    Edax Royeaux
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fynlar View Post
    40 more inventory slots, 10 more slots in each section of the armoury chest (that's what, 120 potential total? You're probably unlikely to make use of all of it due to the equipment type restrictions, so we can be generous and call it closer to 80-90), and the 70 slot chocobo saddlebag is "very little" free inventory expansion to you?
    If your an omnicrafter, then yes. With housing, even the low level crafting materials remain important, which means needing to keep stock of everything, or else pay huge fees on the MB or spend hours waiting on the retainer to fetch all of it.
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  10. #30
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    JohnSpawnVFX's Avatar
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    Kaynneth Menad
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    Zodiark
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edax View Post
    If your an omnicrafter, then yes. With housing, even the low level crafting materials remain important, which means needing to keep stock of everything, or else pay huge fees on the MB or spend hours waiting on the retainer to fetch all of it.
    Many low level mats are accessible through vendors, some of them you can even put directly in your house. The others are the vendors in your housing area and the beast tribe vendors (these ones even have some higher level mats - lvl 30-40)
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