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    Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post
    While you've put a lot of thought into this and it all sounds reasonable, I have to be mean and blunt here.

    You seem to be putting yourself forward as moderator, and I don't feel like it's a good idea.
    You're free to create one with a moderator panel better suited to your tastes, then. It's a Discord chat. Not a mortgage agreement.

    Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post
    This is all making me feel anxious. Both the overall situation and speaking up like this about it.
    Er, right.
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    Last edited by Lauront; 11-30-2018 at 03:00 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lauront View Post
    You're free to create one with a moderator panel better suited to your tastes, then.
    This.

    Though the ideal scenario is that the moderation team will be varied and not just an echo chamber/safe space. I want to establish a place where people can discuss the game's lore and not feel as though they have to tread on eggshells or find themselves insulted for liking a different character/faction to someone else.

    The world isn't going to end if X likes Lyse and Y doesn't.

    The world isn't going to end if A likes Garlemald and B doesn't.

    It's a fictional setting. It's a game. It's meant to be fun. Some of us are more invested in the overall package than others, certainly, though I see no need or valid reasoning for there to be any bad blood.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lauront View Post
    You're free to create one with a moderator panel better suited to your tastes, then.
    It's not that simple. Some of us are already on the fence as to whether we would want a Lore Discord in the first place as we like the structure inherent in a forum (that isn't modded by the community).

    Then someone, who has a reputation on the lore forum for having an obvious bias (deserved or not), wants to start a Lore Discord. The idea of having to deal with that person on a regular basis isn't appealing to a lot of people. It might even be enough of a turn-off that the people who were on the fence about a Lore Discord aren't on the fence anymore and outright decide they aren't going to get involved with the whole thing.

    You can't just tell someone to start up a project they would never have started in the first place just because someone they don't want to interact with has started up a project they might have wanted to interact with if that person wasn't there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ObsidianFire View Post
    You can't just tell someone to start up a project they would never have started in the first place just because someone they don't want to interact with has started up a project they might have wanted to interact with if that person wasn't there.
    Why, of course I can - and I just did.

    Overall, I find this all very petty. In the end, this is supplementary to the forum. If it is not to your liking, you don't need to join. If you do decide to partake, and find it is not to your liking, you have the option of leaving and creating a venue better suited to your tastes. Discord chats are pretty low commitment to set up or join. There is minimal cost to trialing it and no obligation to do so.

    The tone of it is "thanks for doing all the work of setting up the chat, but I don't like you, so I don't want you having any moderation influence over it". Strikes me as a pretty entitled mentality.
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    Last edited by Lauront; 11-30-2018 at 03:28 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lauront View Post
    You're free to create one with a moderator panel better suited to your tastes, then.

    That exactly creates the fragmentation people have mentioned they wanted to avoid.


    On the idea in general, I'm on the fence. I like this sub-forum, and I think we would end up losing the little threads that often contain the most interesting nuggets. On the other hand, an increase in voices (from people who don't have anything to do with the Official Forum) is no bad thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mieck View Post
    That exactly creates the fragmentation people have mentioned they wanted to avoid.
    Equally, though, you can't please everyone, and if some people claim to be anxious over discussing what is essentially a voluntarily formed discussion venue for a game, of all things, I think my advice is salient. My suggestion would be to trial it, in any event.
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