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    Quote Originally Posted by RicaRuin View Post
    Even now, statics have trouble finding new members...And this little population is to be splitted in two. That... will be the death of decent raiding...
    Raiding is surely an important asset of the game, but we are talking of more or less 2% of population, that drops down to 0,x% if we talk of o12s clear.

    Yes, let's try keep everyone happy with datacenter changes. If only 0,x% isn't, that is a huge success imho.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LalaRu View Post
    Raiding is surely an important asset of the game, but we are talking of more or less 2% of population, that drops down to 0,x% if we talk of o12s clear.

    Yes, let's try keep everyone happy with datacenter changes. If only 0,x% isn't, that is a huge success imho.
    That's a bold assumption, I've seen more non-raiders from Diabolos complaining about being paired with Balmung than those who do (yes I know RP =/= bad but this is not the mentality that roams non-RP servers), your data center also impacts your duty finder experience, and you don't have to raid to befriend people from other servers (see http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...%28attn.-SE%29)
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    Quote Originally Posted by LalaRu View Post
    Raiding is surely an important asset of the game, but we are talking of more or less 2% of population, that drops down to 0,x% if we talk of o12s clear.

    Yes, let's try keep everyone happy with datacenter changes. If only 0,x% isn't, that is a huge success imho.
    Less than 2% you say? Funny. When I look at this site, which pulls from the Lodestone, I see 21.5% of characters own the Air Force mount. Even if we're extremely generous and assume 50% are alts, that remains roughly 11%—five times your estimation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor View Post
    ...When I look at this site, which pulls from the Lodestone, I see 21.5% of characters own the Air Force Mount...
    If you read it on the internet, it must be true...
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    Quote Originally Posted by LalaRu View Post
    If you read it on the internet, it must be true...
    Got any source for your "more or less 2% of the population" then or is it something you read on the Internet?

    Unless you're going to claim you went to all datacenters to make a survey on most of the game's population...
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnSpawnVFX View Post
    Got any source for your "more or less 2% of the population" then or is it something you read on the Internet?
    This site extract data from lodestone too, but seems more reliable then the one that says 20% of players cleared o8s. 20% of raiding players, makes more sense. And yes I had read it on the internet too. Let's ask SE for the real numbers?

    Edit: adding an achievement for any savage clears surely will help a lot for better stats.
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    Last edited by LalaRu; 12-02-2018 at 02:21 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LalaRu View Post
    This site extract data from lodestone too, but seems more reliable then the one that says 20% of players cleared o8s. 20% of raiding players, makes more sense. And yes I had read it on the internet too. Let's ask SE for the real numbers?
    Except like Bourne said, the other site pulls from Lodestone. And one of the things you can't hide on Lodestone is your mounts. Therefore, number of Air Forces aquired = number of characters who raided O8S. And before you claim "oh that's just characters, not players", you'd be implying most of the raiding population are just alts of each other.

    Also bear in mind that raiding =/= having a mount. There are people who cleared O8S and haven't gotten the mount. Plus people who were running O5S - O8S but were unable to clear everything before unlock and echo. Those people still are raiders.

    So if anything, the 20% number is wrong by default, not excess. And there are more people raiding than 20%
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    Last edited by JohnSpawnVFX; 12-02-2018 at 03:08 AM. Reason: Air Force is a mount, not a minion

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    Quote Originally Posted by LalaRu View Post
    This site extract data from lodestone too, but seems more reliable then the one that says 20% of players cleared o8s. 20% of raiding players, makes more sense. And yes I had read it on the internet too. Let's ask SE for the real numbers?

    Edit: adding an achievement for any savage clears surely will help a lot for better stats.
    I would believe the Lucky Bancho one more. That minion/mount website might be 20 percent of players profiles that were searched on that website. Players that would visit a minion/mount website may be dedicated more to the game which will skew results.

    Not many players care about raiding.
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    Angry Duty finder 100 minutes and more

    Still not convinced that splitting servers is a better option than stocking up on hardware or making the code work better.
    Just hope that such queue times of 100 minutes and more won't become the norm.

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