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  1. #351
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    xbahax92's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nalien View Post
    I see plenty of other solutions to this problem, but they cost more, they require more effort, smarter planning, etc. We just get the cheap option and those of us who lose out as a result? Whatever, we don't matter.
    What are the other options then? Enlighten us what we dont know or maybe SE couldn't consider to their master plan to ruin everyones gaming experience.
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  2. #352
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    Taisai Jin
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    Quote Originally Posted by xbahax92 View Post
    What are the other options then? Enlighten us what we dont know or maybe SE couldn't consider to their master plan to ruin everyones gaming experience.
    I mean, I literally just detailed how they could perhaps not create a purely linear experience that bottlenecks everyone on a single instance like Raubahn did to improve an expansions launch stability... Everyone wants to play the new expansion, but when there's only one piece of new content to do, one path for everyone to run down, one instance for everyone to jump in... We'll have issues with a set up like that regardless of how much they split the servers up...

    They could also shell out extra for superior server hardware/networking, but the white knights of this forum seem to refuse to believe that's a possibility... SE can't invest back into XIV after all, it's just one of their main cash cows... No, they need to invest more in cancelling DLC and driving away developers... I wonder how long until Yoshida pulls a Tabata, must be pretty frustrating having to rely on the Mogstation for his budget more than getting a fair slice of what the subscription fees pull in, and he has also admitted that they have difficulty with designing new content due to trouble hiring content developers, can't imagine why with SEs track record...

    There's also just straight up superior ways to handle this split. Free transfer is nice (and potentially can render the split meaningless as far as depopulating data centers goes, but that's another topic), but it really doesn't factor in Housing or Free Companies... At least EU gets new servers, so there's a chance of getting new Housing if you move (although, just a chance is pretty lame when you consider some people have put years into decorating that stuff...), assuming they do the logical thing and lock that for the first few days since otherwise literally no Free Company will be founded to buy land... Really though, if they were smarter with developing a lot of this content they'd avoid such issues... Workshops, for example... Untie them from Housing and potentially you don't lose all Airship/Submarine progression upon moving... Can't add a Free Company transfer system? How about this; Add an item that, when used, gives Free Company Credits (which are used in the ranking up process of Free Companies). There, now you can't transfer Free Companies, but you can get an item and use it to basically instantly restore your Free Company to where it was after transferring... Could do something similar with Housing and Furniture (create a snapshot of a Houses Storage, restore upon moving), but nah, I'm sure that 3m will cover the loss of up to 400 pieces of Furniture, some of which are event exclusive and only obtainable now on the Mogstation for a ridiculous price... And heck, do we even get reimbursed for Free Company Housing? Doesn't look like it so far... Individuals who can buy their own House probably aren't hurting for Gil, but an entire Free Company that needed a group to save up? Not so sure... And again, with the EUs new servers they better have some form of lock on Housing because those new servers wont have Free Companies at rank 6 able to buy plots otherwise... People will need time to reach rank 6 and in that time most of the plots can be purchased by individuals...

    Then of course, lets not forget; If this happened once, it can happen again. What's to say 6.0 wont require another split? We wouldn't want a repeat of 5.0s Hien Extreme, after all... It's a short term solution that doesn't future proof the game against these kinds of issues... It's a pointless bandaid fix that screws over a sizeable chunk of players. At least the next time it happens, it'll probably happen to Gaia/Mana/Elemental too, so SE is likely to actually listen to feedback and find another solution...
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    Last edited by Nalien; 11-23-2018 at 10:45 PM.

  3. #353
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tizzy_Tormentor View Post
    I was unaware that the server you played on determined how good or bad you are at the game, good to know.

    I've transferred to Omega at the start of SB and I've stayed there for over a year. There is really no denying that there isn't a high amount of 'raiders' on Omega, take a look at that picture that other guy posted with the raid numbers.
    Moving to Cerberus was the best thing I ever did in this game, I've been getting much more fun and there's much more like minded people on this one.


    There's a lot of RP on Omega, and that's something I'm bad at but you guys over there are pro at it, or at least quite a lot you.


    The EU DC is the least populated and the raiding community is absolutely the lowest compared to the US & Japanese DC's. And everything combined the raiding community is just low everywhere.
    What they did now was took the already abysmal raiding community and split it between Chaos & Light.


    First and foremost we never needed a second DC, we don't have enough people for that.
    Now they want to, what they could have done was put all the RP & 'casual' servers together in one DC, especially with the new visit world feature you could all visit each other worlds, one big happy family and then put the raid servers in the other DC were all the players care about that other part of the game.

    But no, they wanted to put (in an already low number of people) 2 totally opposite kinds of players together...


    There's going to be a mass exodus and currently it looks like Chaos will be the destination for 'dedicated raiding', might change though seeing as Ragnarok is on Light ... time will tell, there's word about this on Reddit.
    Anyway the mass exodus is gonna be annoying for everybody to find new houses and all the other 'settling in a new server'.

    SE could have avoided this by putting the 'raid' servers together in one DC and put the RP and 'casual' servers in the other DC or just not adding another DC in the first place.
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    Letter from the Producer LIVE Part IX Q&A Summary (10/30/2013)
    Q: Will there be any maintenance fees or other costs for housing, besides the cost of the land and house?
    A: In older MMOs, such as Ultima Online, there was a house maintenance fee you had to pay weekly, but in FFXIV: ARR we decided against this system. Similarly, these older MMOs also had a system where your house would break down if you didn’t log in after a while in order to have you continue your subscription, but this is a thing of the past and we won't have any system like that.

  4. #354
    Player BristolRuss's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fhaerron View Post
    I just wish that Omega, Louisoix & Moogle be put to the Light DC.

    Seeing that Chaos will be the 'raid' DC I'd rather have Zodiark, Phoenix and one of those German servers with us.
    There's too much wipes in party finder as it is, don't want more.
    This from somebody who doesn't even raid smh.
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  5. #355
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    Quote Originally Posted by BristolRuss View Post
    This from somebody who doesn't even raid smh.

    This from somebody who doesn't know you can have more then one character smh.
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    Letter from the Producer LIVE Part IX Q&A Summary (10/30/2013)
    Q: Will there be any maintenance fees or other costs for housing, besides the cost of the land and house?
    A: In older MMOs, such as Ultima Online, there was a house maintenance fee you had to pay weekly, but in FFXIV: ARR we decided against this system. Similarly, these older MMOs also had a system where your house would break down if you didn’t log in after a while in order to have you continue your subscription, but this is a thing of the past and we won't have any system like that.

  6. #356
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    This is going to tear my static in half . Im not sure what im going to do. All of us belong to FC on our servers that we cant leave......
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  7. #357
    Player BristolRuss's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fhaerron View Post
    This from somebody who doesn't know you can have more then one character smh.
    Sure, don't believe you do though.
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  8. #358
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fhaerron View Post
    There's a lot of RP on Omega, and that's something I'm bad at but you guys over there are pro at it, or at least quite a lot you.
    I see people parrot this all the time, that Omega is the "unofficial EU RP server" and honestly, I can tell you right now that there isn't any more RP activity than say, Ragnarok, which I played on for a while with an alt, in general, you won't find RP unless you look for it, almost every server has RP communities, as someone who actively plays on Omega, the idea that it has more just because someone named it the unofficial EU RP server is nonsense, just because someone on reddit declared it so, doesn't make it so, same as how Moogle (my original server) has the status of "unofficial French server" despite the fact that, once again, I saw no more French players than I saw on Ragnarok and English players were the most prominent.

    SE could have avoided this by putting the 'raid' servers together in one DC and put the RP and 'casual' servers in the other DC or just not adding another DC in the first place.
    You seem to be under the misunderstanding that a servers unofficial status means anything in the grand scheme of things, just because a server has a higher raiding population than another means very little in how they shuffle the worlds, considering a servers status as "unofficial X server" is coined entirely by the community and not SE.

    You also still seem to think that if players aren't from a raid server, it equals more wipes in party finder, which is just hyperbolic and a bit rubbish to be honest, players who raid on more raid oriented servers aren't automatically better than those who don't.
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  9. #359
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    On one hand, I'm happy to be getting away from Balmung.

    On the other, I'm worried what it will do to PVP queues.
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  10. #360
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    EU servers are a mess for a number of reasons, but I don't actually understand Squeenix's position on that.
    The game is available in French and German. I've seen Spanish and Italian FCs on Zodiark, I assume there are "linguistic" FCs on all servers... Then why wouldn't some worlds be officially labeled as "here we have a lot of French/Italian" because I see a lot of people that don't speak English at all. I don't mean forcing people here and there, but just as an indication for people looking for a specific language community.

    Everything has to be relative because we have fewer players, but I never had any troubles in finding parties when I needed to for Extreme / Savage content. And people come from all the worlds we have, I don't necessarily think the original split is unbalanced as other people have said. There are older worlds on each, younger worlds on each, and when you have a look at EU fflogs ranking, people come from all worlds. But I see a lot of people saying Chaos will be the raiding server, and people on Light are planning to go to Chaos because of that, making it then actually true.
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