Is it time to rework housing timers?

[MaybeOliverB]

Says the person from Gilgamesh, unless you have characters on Balmung, do not speak of Balmung's economy. I am a member of the housing discord. House trading does happen, no lie there, but not for OVER INFLATED prices (NOTE: small 3.75 plot selling for 50+ mil).

Unless you were grandfathered in, you can only have ONE FC house, and ONE personal, per server, per account. My friend had to leave all his other FCs on his alts to ensure his main's FC got a house, because if you had a character in an FC with a house, the game counted that house as your ONE FC house.


You keep dragging this off topic just to what? Insult me? Troll me? This thread needs to be locked down.

I do have characters on Balmung, not that it matters. You can have 8 FC houses per server since the restriction isn't effective anymore, but you obviously do not know that. This thread doesn't have to be locked because you cannot back up what you've claimed regarding the ToS and housing.

[MaybeOliverB]

Its an OliverB housing troll thread now unfortunately. There is no reasoning with him when he is master at twisting rules to make them appear to fit his statements.
He reminds me of my first fc master and thats not a compliment.

Twisting rules? I've been here for months and no one has been able to show me an actual rule that goes against what me and other players from other servers are doing. There are no rules against owning multiple houses or trading houses. I'm not the person getting all emotional about the topic and saying I'm violating the "spirit of the rules", they are the ones bending the rules to fit their emotions.

[LuciferMink]

WHEN was that changed? As of patch 4.2, the rules are still in place: https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes.../housing_land/ ONE FC and ONE PERSONAL PER ACCOUNT, PER WORLD. Unless it was an official announcement it doesn't count. Your words.

It was backed up, with live letter transcripts, but you have chosen to ignore that. As was my own experiences of witnessing someone get disciplined by buying a house for an inflated price from a flipper (back in HW), but you discount that too. I had a GM explain to ME personally as well that the over-inflation of prices from flippers disrupts others' game experience because instead of putting that money back into the local economy, or some other way, it goes to one person, MOST LIKELY RMT RELATED.

As for locking the thread down, it is because, once again, YOU are off topic again. All to come after me and get a reaction? Why? Do you get your jollies off being a troll? Apparently.

This was supposed to be about the timers, but you still insist on coming after me? I am not against trading houses, please learn to read. I'm against RESELLING AT INFLATED PRICES. Reselling a small plot that sells for 3.5 mil for 50 million is RIDICULOUS. And, please note, i.e read the link, as of RIGHT NOW, it is against the rules to buy multiple homes, if you have figured out a way to do so currently, you have hacked the game. Being grandfathered in PRIOR to patch 4.2 is a different story.

[Luna_Ariana]

Guys just ignore this Oliver guy. They are just an Attention Seeker hence they may don't get it anywhere else. Blacklist is always a good thing.

Anyway on Topic: After the whole thing with new Wards it was ok. And maybe if they add new Wards as of the new Expansion this might be good too but then IF they would rework on this my recommadation is to atleast lower the Time. People who seek for a House do wait over half their Day only to get it snagged by a Relocation. Therefore shorten it for like let's say 3 or 4 hours max.

Afterall there are still many people who do want a House for themself/Friends/FC in which this could be a tiny little better. ^^)''

EDIT: If this sounds too mean then my apologize to that.

[MizArai]

WHEN was that changed? As of patch 4.2, the rules are still in place: https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes.../housing_land/ ONE FC and ONE PERSONAL PER ACCOUNT, PER WORLD. Unless it was an official announcement it doesn't count. Your words.

It was backed up, with live letter transcripts, but you have chosen to ignore that. As was my own experiences of witnessing someone get disciplined by buying a house for an inflated price from a flipper (back in HW), but you discount that too. I had a GM explain to ME personally as well that the over-inflation of prices from flippers disrupts others' game experience because instead of putting that money back into the local economy, or some other way, it goes to one person, MOST LIKELY RMT RELATED.

As for locking the thread down, it is because, once again, YOU are off topic again. All to come after me and get a reaction? Why? Do you get your jollies off being a troll? Apparently.

This was supposed to be about the timers, but you still insist on coming after me? I am not against trading houses, please learn to read. I'm against RESELLING AT INFLATED PRICES. Reselling a small plot that sells for 3.5 mil for 50 million is RIDICULOUS. And, please note, i.e read the link, as of RIGHT NOW, it is against the rules to buy multiple homes, if you have figured out a way to do so currently, you have hacked the game. Being grandfathered in PRIOR to patch 4.2 is a different story.

It was listed as a temporary change. They never said when it was lifted, but you can now buy FC houses on an account where other characters are in an FC that already owns a house.

[Jojoya]

It was listed as a temporary change. They never said when it was lifted, but you can now buy FC houses on an account where other characters are in an FC that already owns a house.

And yet they're generally good about updating temporary changes on Lodestone when they're no longer in effect. It's doubtful this is any different.

Lack of enforcement does not mean the rule does not still exist. I'm fairly certain that they had to disable the one FC house per account per world rule because it was interfering with the ability of legitimate FCs to obtain houses when their members had alts in different FCs with houses. Perhaps they are waiting while they find other solutions before enforcing the FC house rule again.

Regardless, it's between SE and the players who are continuing to obtain multiple FC houses per world after 4.2. Rather than obsess over something that we aren't in a position to change as players and that just causes drama when repeatedly mentioned in the forums, let's focus on encouraging SE to come up with long term solutions to housing issues.

[Alien_Gamer]

And yet they're generally good about updating temporary changes on Lodestone when they're no longer in effect. It's doubtful this is any different.

In this case the lodestone is out of date. When 4.2 hit and the restrcitions were put in place you could not buy a second FC house, the game wouldn't let you. Now the game lets you. Regardless of what the lodestone says, the devs have expressly enabled the ability for players to do so. This is not an oversight, this is deliberate action by the devs to let players do this. I hardly think that would be the case if it wasn't allowed.

[Jojoya]

In this case the lodestone is out of date. When 4.2 hit and the restrcitions were put in place you could not buy a second FC house, the game wouldn't let you. Now the game lets you. Regardless of what the lodestone says, the devs have expressly enabled the ability for players to do so. This is not an oversight, this is deliberate action by the devs to let players do this. I hardly think that would be the case if it wasn't allowed.

But why was the ability enabled? Was it enabled because they want players to be able to purchase multiple FC houses on their account contrary to the housing information posted or was it enabled because it was the only way to allow legitimate FCs to purchase housing that would have otherwise been prevented by their members having alts in other FCs that already owned houses?

I hope you understand the distinction I'm trying to make here. They might have had to change the programming to allow the intended use that would have otherwise been blocked, and that in turn opened the door to unintended use. That doesn't mean the published rule has been removed or changed.

Until SE posts an official statement regarding the rule, better to assume the published rule is still in place and that any action that violates that rule, regardless of what the game's programming allows, is an exploit and subject to account action at a time of SE's choosing.

[LuciferMink]

Guys just ignore this Oliver guy. They are just an Attention Seeker hence they may don't get it anywhere else. Blacklist is always a good thing.

Anyway on Topic: After the whole thing with new Wards it was ok. And maybe if they add new Wards as of the new Expansion this might be good too but then IF they would rework on this my recommadation is to atleast lower the Time. People who seek for a House do wait over half their Day only to get it snagged by a Relocation. Therefore shorten it for like let's say 3 or 4 hours max.

Afterall there are still many people who do want a House for themself/Friends/FC in which this could be a tiny little better. ^^)''

EDIT: If this sounds too mean then my apologize to that.

4 hours is a little TOO short still, that allows those on the more congested servers to have the issues we faced before. I would say a max of 12 hours. With an average of 4-6 or the plot opening for purchase. On Balmung, the timer has an average of 10-15 hours, out of it's 24+. So, having a forced timer of 12 (force timer like a hunt pop) hours means if the house doesn't go for sale in that time frame of 0-12, it goes at 12. But, it could go anytime in there. 3 to 4 means that some homes that appear during non peak times are snagged up before some people even have a chance, at least with a SLIGHTLY longer time, but shorter than the existing timer, it gives most a fair shot.

[Alien_Gamer]

But why was the ability enabled? Was it enabled because they want players to be able to purchase multiple FC houses on their account contrary to the housing information posted or was it enabled because it was the only way to allow legitimate FCs to purchase housing that would have otherwise been prevented by their members having alts in other FCs that already owned houses?

I understand what you're getting at, but what you want isn't there.

Yoshi stated during the live letter and interviews around that time why they were being restrictive and why these rules were being put in place. They wanted people without any access to houses at all to have a fair chance at getting a house. Their reasoning was that players in an FC had access to housing functions even if they weren't the owner of the FC and that would have to be enough; those without a private house or FC house would have priority in buying one. You may not agree with their view at the time but it was effective at achieving their goals.

The reason some of the restrictions were removed is they simply weren't necessary anymore; SE had achieved their goal with it. More players had houses than before, houses weren't as concentrated in such a small group of players and there were houses still empty on many servers indicating the demand for housing had finally been met.

When SE put these restrictions in place they had to create an ownership flag and value at the account level to work with the one at character level to enforce these restrictions. When they removed the restrictions they did not delete that code, they set it to a null value or commented it out so it wasn't in effect. If they wanted to restrict the number of FC houses a person could have on an account they could have set it from 1 to 3 or whatever they thought was fair...but they didn't want to do that. They left it open.

This was not a matter of how much work or time or cost involved, those are all the same between what they did and what this restriction would take. They deliberately chose to not have the restriction and let people own an FC house on each character. SE chose not to regulate it, thats all it is.

You may not like Oliver's decision to buy those houses but the devs gave him the ability to do so, not as an oversight or compromise but as a deliberate action.