Is it time to rework housing timers?

[Dzian]

honestly lots of people have come up with ideas that would help the housing system. even changing the way tenants worked for example.. if they actually made plots shared ownerships instead of the current tenant system you'd find a lot more freed up plots because a lot ofpeople would be more willing to share. the reason they dont is because teneants have no powers and can't even reset the demo timers. so they're not going t oinvest in a property thats tied to another players sub.

I own a medium for example and 3of my friends also own mediums scattered around. all have said there a bit big for one person but smalls are too small. and we cannot share a house because if something happens that causes one of us to be unable to play for a few weeks we'd all risk ending up homeless. if we could actually share the plot and allow any one of us to reset the demo timer or such then there's 3 extra medium plots available for other people on our server. and i know more than a few groups of friends who would be of a similar mindset.

something like this would also fit better into yoshis frequent statement of you can take breaks if you want.. because if the porperty was shared amoung 4 of us and 2 of us took a break for 3 months our home would still be safe when we returned. (assuming at least one of the other 2 were still using it)

a proper and actually viable sharing system would free up a lot of plots for other players

[Alyanna_Elingval]

honestly lots of people have come up with ideas that would help the housing system. even changing the way tenants worked for example.. if they actually made plots shared ownerships instead of the current tenant system you'd find a lot more freed up plots because a lot ofpeople would be more willing to share. the reason they dont is because teneants have no powers and can't even reset the demo timers. so they're not going t oinvest in a property thats tied to another players sub.

I doubt they would do this, because people could just sell their house to someone directly, have that person move in and then just move out.

[LuciferMink]

They DID in fact come out and say it was against the rules to house flip for the amounts that I have mentioned, and that any player found in violation would be dealt with. It was even discussed here on these very forums, and announced by Yoshi P himself at E3 2016 Live Letter. So apparently you have not been up to date on the news at all. See: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...to-this-thread

I am not broke, but please refrain from saying that I am "playing the game improperly". Please refrain from simply presuming things that you obviously do not know. I did know that they made THAT particular change, when you, apparently, did not.

But, we are getting way off topic, as the discussion was about the timers, not about the flippers who sell them. The timers do stop the flippers. Balmung's housing market, in terms of third party sales, have plummeted way down to almost nothing... THANKS to the timers. They should be reduced, not removed.

[MaybeOliverB]

They DID in fact come out and say it was against the rules to house flip for the amounts that I have mentioned, and that any player found in violation would be dealt with. It was even discussed here on these very forums, and announced by Yoshi P himself at E3 2016 Live Letter. So apparently you have not been up to date on the news at all. See: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...to-this-thread

I am not broke, but please refrain from saying that I am "playing the game improperly". Please refrain from simply presuming things that you obviously do not know. I did know that they made THAT particular change, when you, apparently, did not.

But, we are getting way off topic, as the discussion was about the timers, not about the flippers who sell them. The timers do stop the flippers. Balmung's housing market, in terms of third party sales, have plummeted way down to almost nothing... THANKS to the timers. They should be reduced, not removed.

Sorry, but there has never been any actual statement by an employee on these forums, on the lodestone or in the FAQs ingame. You can't take a live translation seriously or an inquiry to one single gm as factual evidence regarding the "legality" of trading houses. Once again, SE has nothing to gain from interfering with people trading houses unless someone gets scammed. If there was an actual change in the rules regarding housing, please show the lodestone page or the part in the ToS where it says so (ps: there isn't).

Btw, house trading is surging on Balmung because of the upcoming datacenter shuffle. If you think this specific timer is preventing anyone from acquiring more than 2 houses on a congested server, there is probably a flower next to your name ingame.

http://support.na.square-enix.com/fa...la=1&kid=68216

[Dzian]

Sorry, but there has never been any actual statement by an employee on these forums, on the lodestone or in the FAQs ingame. You can't take a live translation seriously or an inquiry to one single gm as factual evidence regarding the "legality" of trading houses. Once again, SE has nothing to gain from interfering with people trading houses unless someone gets scammed. If there was an actual change in the rules regarding housing, please show the lodestone page or the part in the ToS where it says so (ps: there isn't).

Btw, house trading is surging on Balmung because of the upcoming datacenter shuffle. If you think this specific timer is preventing anyone from acquiring more than 2 houses on a congested server, there is probably a flower next to your name ingame.

http://support.na.square-enix.com/fa...la=1&kid=68216

It seems quite hit and miss. If you're a player selling a plot you no longer want or require to another player the devs geenrally seem ok with that and wont take any action against you.. If however you're buying plots specifically for the purpose of resale or flipping for exuberant sums of money then they do seem to take a stronger stance as that does fall within the definition of disrupting other players gameplay experience..

[MaybeOliverB]

It seems quite hit and miss. If you're a player selling a plot you no longer want or require to another player the devs geenrally seem ok with that and wont take any action against you.. If however you're buying plots specifically for the purpose of resale or flipping for exuberant sums of money then they do seem to take a stronger stance as that does fall within the definition of disrupting other players gameplay experience..

You can't really define what is an exuberant sum of money, other than gil cap and beyond... and even then...

Keep in mind these were the original prices when housing came out:


You couldn't really find billionaires back in ARR, unlike now. As far as I'm being concerned, purchasing a small plot on a crowded server for the original price is far from being ripped off. Some people have had those houses since the very beginning.

I've advertised plenty of times in PF over the years and I've yet to have a discussion with a GM regarding my little collection. The only time I got into "trouble" regarding housing was when I was advertising the sale of my neighbors small FC house in early HW for 5 times the retail value. The GM made no comment regarding the advertised price, but he did say I was disturbing my neighbors' experience because of all the /tells he was receiving.

[LuciferMink]

Says the person from Gilgamesh, unless you have characters on Balmung, do not speak of Balmung's economy. I am a member of the housing discord. House trading does happen, no lie there, but not for OVER INFLATED prices (NOTE: small 3.75 plot selling for 50+ mil).

Unless you were grandfathered in, you can only have ONE FC house, and ONE personal, per server, per account. My friend had to leave all his other FCs on his alts to ensure his main's FC got a house, because if you had a character in an FC with a house, the game counted that house as your ONE FC house.


You keep dragging this off topic just to what? Insult me? Troll me? This thread needs to be locked down.

[Caitlinzulu]

Its an OliverB housing troll thread now unfortunately. There is no reasoning with him when he is master at twisting rules to make them appear to fit his statements.
He reminds me of my first fc master and thats not a compliment.

[InkstainedGwyn]

Threads get a lot more pleasant when you blist people like him, tbh. Nothing he ever says will be worth reading, and you get to skip a lot of nonsense.

[Caitlinzulu]

But if you do some messages dont make sense, but i guess you are right